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TitanSooner 09-03-2009 11:51 AM

9/6 (DMR): Pacific Classic, Pat O'Brien (G1); Del Mar Derby (G2)
 
4th (2:30) Pat O'Brien S. (G1)

7 Furlongs (All Weather Track) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $300,000

1 Zensational Espinoza V 120 L
2 Nikki'sgoldensteed Talamo J 119 L
3 Big Bad Leroybrown Baze T C 119 L
4 Noble Court Rosario J 119 L
5 Screen to Screen Bejarano R 119 L
6 Talkin to Mom Roo Gomez G K 119 L



6th (3:30) Del Mar Derby (G2)

1 1/8 Miles (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $350,000

1 Rendezvous Rosario J 122 L
2 Midnight Mischief Smith M E 122 L
3 Meteore Bejarano R 122 L
4 Battle of Hastings (GB) Baze T C 122 L
5 Oil Man (IRE) Leparoux J R 122 L
6 Afleet Eagle Nakatani C S 122 L
7 Gretsky Solis A 122 L
8 Papa Clem Gomez G K 122 L
9 Acclamation Talamo J 122 L



9th (5:00) Pacific Classic S. (G1)

1 1/4 Miles (All Weather Track) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $1,000,000

1 Informed Baze T C 124 L
2 Song of Navarone Rosario J 124 L
3 Rail Trip Valdivia J Jr 124 L
4 Richard's Kid Smith M E 124 L
5 Mast Track Flores D R 124 L
6 Colonel John Gomez G K 124 L
7 Misremembered Espinoza V 118 L
8 Global Hunter (ARG) Nakatani C S 124 L
9 Tres Borrachos Talamo J 124 L
10 Einstein (BRZ) Leparoux J R 124 L
11 Parading Bejarano R 124 L
12 Awesome Gem Solis A 124 L

kgar311 09-03-2009 12:05 PM

Tres Barrachos, the Rodney Dangerfield of California racing

Indian Charlie 09-03-2009 04:43 PM

I thought for sure that the undefeated mare everyone raves about all the time would be in here!

eajinabi 09-03-2009 06:56 PM

Are those morning lines for real? No respect for Rail Trip or Tres Borrachos (1-2 in the Gold Cup) If I am not mistaken, didnt horses who also ran in the Gold Cup like Bullasbay romp next out? Didnt Global Hunter win a G1 next out? Didnt Informed and Mast Track finish 1-2 in the San Diego?

hockey2315 09-03-2009 07:10 PM

I too am surprised by how little respect Rail Trip has gotten off of his last. Supposedly he's 25-1 in the BC Classic futures too. I don't love him, but he's clearly the one proven over synthetic to be semi-decent.

jballscalls 09-03-2009 07:16 PM

i thought Einstein would be favored LOL

freddymo 09-03-2009 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315
I too am surprised by how little respect Rail Trip has gotten off of his last. Supposedly he's 25-1 in the BC Classic futures too. I don't love him, but he's clearly the one proven over synthetic to be semi-decent.


Ron Ellis winning the Classic...Please

I kind of like Parading. This is clearly a third surface horse. Shug has been ice cold since leaving Keeneland in the spring but this could be a surface that really suits Parading. I try him at 13 to 1

Danzig 09-03-2009 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
I thought for sure that the undefeated mare everyone raves about all the time would be in here!


no, she's too dimensional to run here...or something like that.:rolleyes:

what's misremembered chances here? evidently the track 'capper doesn't think too good, since he's at 12-1.

10 pnt move up 09-03-2009 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
Ron Ellis winning the Classic...Please

I kind of like Parading. This is clearly a third surface horse. Shug has been ice cold since leaving Keeneland in the spring but this could be a surface that really suits Parading. I try him at 13 to 1

Parading is a total slug and deep closers have been struggggggling on this track.

I dont like Ron Ellis because his horses tend to get hurt way more than normal but make no mistake he can train, and he has the best horse, by a distance.

freddymo 09-04-2009 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
Parading is a total slug and deep closers have been struggggggling on this track.

I dont like Ron Ellis because his horses tend to get hurt way more than normal but make no mistake he can train, and he has the best horse, by a distance.


Parading's race at Keeneland wins this race easily. Rail trip woke up least race nicely. I won't no part of him at a short price.His ML is a joke he will be 9/5.

SCUDSBROTHER 09-04-2009 03:27 PM

The version of Rail Trip that showed up last time would romp again. It's risky to rely on non-cheaters(like Ellis) to consistently be able to beat cheaters(like twice-caught cheater O'neil,) but I hope he wins. On a level playing field, Ellis would of won many more graded races than he has.

10 pnt move up 09-04-2009 08:36 PM

Dont see a race thread for it but that Carlsbad can really run. We know west coast horses all suck ( : but that horses is going to take some beating in two months (if eligible)

10 pnt move up 09-04-2009 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freddymo
Parading's race at Keeneland wins this race easily. Rail trip woke up least race nicely. I won't no part of him at a short price.His ML is a joke he will be 9/5.

2/1 is a gift on a horse at least 3 lengths better than the rest of the field.

CSC 09-06-2009 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315
I too am surprised by how little respect Rail Trip has gotten off of his last. Supposedly he's 25-1 in the BC Classic futures too. I don't love him, but he's clearly the one proven over synthetic to be semi-decent.

Yeah I guess he's okay, I don't know why but I have never been too high on him and if I were betting I would play against him today. Problem is C John will be bet down off one turf prep and the others throw in a big race once in a blue moon, trying to pinpoint which one would be like throwing a dart in this case.

GPK 09-06-2009 06:08 PM

Congrats Vic on Joel's win on Rendezvous in the Del Mar Derby @ 22-1. Hope you hammered him.

DaTruth 09-06-2009 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
Congrats Vic on Joel's win on Rendezvous in the Del Mar Derby @ 22-1. Hope you hammered him.

Congrats indeed. :)

Mike 09-06-2009 06:54 PM

I bet Misremembered here , hoping for the old Baffert magic with a young horse

Cannon Shell 09-06-2009 07:09 PM

I like Claude.

dalakhani 09-06-2009 07:10 PM

I took the 12 awesome gem and i did an exacta box with 1,6,12. I think this race may fall apart. Good luck to all.

Travis Stone 09-06-2009 07:11 PM

This is a crazy race....

Informed likes Del Mar... 15-1, perhaps he sits the cozy inside trip?

Who knows.

CSC 09-06-2009 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Travis Stone
This is crazy race....

Informed likes Del Mar... 15-1, perhaps he sits the cozy inside trip?

Who knows.

I'm with you on this one, opinion and $.

dalakhani 09-06-2009 07:17 PM

baffert...****

Travis Stone 09-06-2009 07:19 PM

Rudolph was touting Richard's Kid.

freddymo 09-06-2009 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalakhani
baffert...****

I hate poly TRACK

10 pnt move up 09-06-2009 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Travis Stone
Rudolph was touting Richard's Kid.

Rudolf bets any longshot Smith rides ever since he had Giacomo.

Travis Stone 09-06-2009 07:23 PM

This poly stuff screws with my mind... I thought I was a watching a turf sprint on the far turn.

DaTruth 09-06-2009 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone
This poly stuff screws with my mind... I thought I was a watching a turf sprint on the far turn.

All in all another solid performance from Einstein. Puts in a nice move while parked four wide on the far turn and probably didn't even see Richard's Kid coming.

For how much did Meyerhoff sell Richard's Kid to the Z man?

CSC 09-06-2009 07:30 PM

Mike Smith is a great jockey... Seriously why can't he ride like that 99.99% of the time? Great hit for anyone that had him.

mbahadur 09-06-2009 07:32 PM

Another game effort by Einstein (sporting the new Stronach silks).

He will probably be the second best US-based horse running in the BC Classic behind Zenyatta. I wonder how many horses the Euros will send over for the BC Classic.

CSC 09-06-2009 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbahadur
Another game effort by Einstein (sporting the new Stronach silks).

He will probably be the second best US-based horse running in the BC Classic behind Zenyatta. I wonder how many horses the Euros will send over for the BC Classic.

I don't know what to make of Colonel John, coming back on turf, 1 prep and into the Classic his odds will have multiplied if he is going to the BC. I wouldn't give up on him yet but is all well with him would be my question. Obcourse he may have run to his ability if you subscribe he is no better than the 4th best horse running today. NOT!

eajinabi 09-06-2009 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC
I don't know what to make of Colonel John, coming back on turf, 1 prep and into the Classic his odds will have multiplied if he is going to the BC. I wouldn't give up on him yet but is all well with him would be my question. Obcourse he may have run to his ability if you subscribe he is no better than the 4th best horse running today. NOT!

Since his prep race off the layoff was on Turf and Ferneley coming back last week to win nicely in the Del Mar Handicap, Colonel Johns connections could be looking at a BC Turf race of some kind.

RockHardTen1985 09-06-2009 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbahadur
Another game effort by Einstein (sporting the new Stronach silks).

He will probably be the second best US-based horse running in the BC Classic behind Zenyatta. I wonder how many horses the Euros will send over for the BC Classic.

Based on his races this year, he is clearly BETTER ON THIS ****, then turf.

reese 09-06-2009 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSC
Mike Smith is a great jockey... Seriously why can't he ride like that 99.99% of the time? Great hit for anyone that had him.

THAT was a HOF ride by Smith.

How about Gomez's ride on Col John:eek:

SCUDSBROTHER 09-07-2009 11:07 PM

Tough trip for a couple horses stuck down inside in the P.C. Most everyone will say they had every chance etc., but when it comes time to bet, they'll give them another chance(cheaper to talk than to bet.)

eajinabi 09-07-2009 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reese
THAT was a HOF ride by Smith.

How about Gomez's ride on Col John:eek:

I agree about Gomez's ride on CJ. Absolute jokr for a veteran rider like him.
He probably thought he could bump his way out from the inside like he did in the Travers.

Once CJ had running room, it did not pass horses with ease. Gomez had to work to get his placing.

CSC 09-08-2009 06:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eajinabi
I agree about Gomez's ride on CJ. Absolute jokr for a veteran rider like him.
He probably thought he could bump his way out from the inside like he did in the Travers.

Once CJ had running room, it did not pass horses with ease. Gomez had to work to get his placing.

I don't think he ran his race, he is better than that and maybe this just maybe this stems back to him reappearing after a year off on turf, which I maintain was a strange placement, still 1 turf race into the Pacific Classic at 5/2 is a poor bet. His next race should be truer.

eajinabi 09-09-2009 12:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSC
I don't think he ran his race, he is better than that and maybe this just maybe this stems back to him reappearing after a year off on turf, which I maintain was a strange placement, still 1 turf race into the Pacific Classic at 5/2 is a poor bet. His next race should be truer.

5/2 to me was fair odds for CJ. Its just that the backers of CJ were not sure which CJ would show up, the good bad or ugly. He certainly had the back class and a stylish prep race romp last out but he is very inconsistent.
I am not a huge fan of Eoin Harty as it seems he doesnt ready his runners off back to back goood efforts as his campagin with Well Armed should suggest.
I would give this horse to Bob Baffert.

hockey2315 09-09-2009 01:03 AM

Right. . . Well Armed's issues are all Harty's fault.

Kasept 09-09-2009 05:13 AM

Richard's Kid a 107 BSF...

Zenz a 101...

Rendesvouz 98...


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