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Kasept 04-11-2009 06:33 PM

Tentative earnings list..
 
1 Regal Ransom $1,250,000
2 Pioneerof the Nile $1,193,250
3 Square Eddie $774,981 Lexington Probable
4 I Want Revenge $774,000
5 Papa Clem $760,000
6 Desert Party $641,667
7 Quality Road $600,000
8 General Quarters $595,645
9 Friesan Fire $570,465
10 Musket Man $485,000

11 Hold Me Back $438,000
12 West Side Bernie $385,160
13 Chocolate Candy $370,000
14 Win Willy $230,000
15 Giant Oak $169,256
16 Dunkirk $150,000
17 Charitable Man $150,000
18 Flying Private $124,000
19 Mr. Hot Stuff $114,000
20 KDKC* Maafaz
---------------------------------------------
20* Summer Bird $100,000
21 Join in the Dance $90,000
22 Flying Pegasus $90,000
23 Take the Points $85,000

24 Atomic Rain $77,500
25 Just A Coincidence $75,000
26 Imperial Council $72,500

Payson Dave 04-11-2009 06:40 PM

I'm guessing that based upon his comments to Mike & Mark this morning (actually yesterday) KM will not be looking to keep Charitable Man headed for the Derby.

randallscott35 04-11-2009 06:44 PM

I would say Dunkirk is safe even with the Lex still to go.

zippyneedsawin 04-11-2009 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randallscott35
I would say Dunkirk is safe even with the Lex still to go.

especially with old fashioned now out.

mclem0822 04-11-2009 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin
especially with old fashioned now out.

Along with Regal Randsom most likely not going either.

PatCummings 04-11-2009 10:59 PM

With Old Fashioned and The Pamplemousse out, I think Regal Ransom is more likely to go now than at any other previous time on the Derby trail. Godolphin said initially that both could go and would ship, but maybe one to the Derby and one to the Preakness.

They are both at Churchill now, and have been for a few days, and I think they might be encouraged to send both if they are training well.

lemoncrush 04-12-2009 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
1 Regal Ransom $1,250,000
2 Pioneerof the Nile $1,193,250
3 Square Eddie $774,981
4 I Want Revenge $774,000
5 Papa Clem $760,000
6 Desert Party $641,667
7 Quality Road $600,000
8 General Quarters $595,645
9 Friesan Fire $570,465
10 Musket Man $485,000

11 Terrain $448,330
12 Hold Me Back $438,000
13 West Side Bernie $385,160
14 Chocolate Candy $370,000
15 Win Willy $230,000
16 Giant Oak $169,256
17 Charitable Man $150,000

18 Dunkirk $150,000
19 Theregoesjojo $133,063
20 KDKC* Maafaz
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
21 Flying Private $124,000
22 Massone $115,000

23 Mr. Hot Stuff $114,000
24 Summer Bird $100,000
25 Join in the Dance $90,000
26 Flying Pegasus $90,000
27 Take the Points $85,000
28 Atomic Rain $77,500
29 Just A Coincidence $75,000
30 Imperial Council $72,500

Charitable Man's connections confirmed today that they are off the Derby Trail, and I believe Terrain, Win Willy, Giant Oak, Regal Ransom and Maafaz are all still undecided. Interesting that it could take close to only 100K in graded earnings to get in this year.

Scav 04-12-2009 03:33 PM

I will be shocked if Giant Oak doesn't go to the Derby. My guess is his work next week will be really good and they will go

blackthroatedwind 04-12-2009 03:40 PM

Charitable Man is out of the Derby? I wonder if they will change their minds if he runs well in either of his next two starts, obviously the Lexington and Withers, as clearly what he really needs is three pre-Derby starts to get into condition.

I just hope this year's e-mail gets wide distribution.

the_fat_man 04-12-2009 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Charitable Man is out of the Derby? I wonder if they will change their minds if he runs well in either of his next two starts, obviously the Lexington and Withers, as clearly what he really needs is three pre-Derby starts to get into condition.

I just hope this year's e-mail gets wide distribution.

Guess Kiaran is wearing the DUNCE CAP.:rolleyes:

Ogygian 04-13-2009 01:40 PM

Is JoJo going to the Derby even though he stopped badly in the Bluegrass?

-BT- 04-13-2009 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
I will be shocked if Giant Oak doesn't go to the Derby. My guess is his work next week will be really good and they will go


i was actually thinking the exact opposite. thought the illi derby was a must win, also if i remember correctly read something along the lines of the connections being more likely on the side of NOT running in the derby, but can't recall where


hail yeah.... dunkirk is in...... the dunkirk vs. quality road rematch battle royal, everyone else is just battling for 3rd place money:rolleyes:

-bt-

cakes44 04-13-2009 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ogygian
Is JoJo going to the Derby even though he stopped badly in the Bluegrass?

They are now just concentrating on prepping him for the Arc.

mbahadur 04-13-2009 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ogygian
Is JoJo going to the Derby even though he stopped badly in the Bluegrass?

Off the Derby trail per Privman article on DRF.com due to "a stifle problem that plagued him as a 2-year-old flare anew, according to trainer Ken McPeek."

Mr. Hot Stuff may now have enough earnings to get in as I don't think Massone is even nominated to the Triple Crown (connections stated they were pointing for the Snow Chief Stakes).

hockey2315 04-13-2009 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbahadur
Off the Derby trail per Privman article on DRF.com due to "a stifle problem that plagued him as a 2-year-old flare anew, according to trainer Ken McPeek."

Mr. Hot Stuff may now have enough earnings to get in as I don't think Massone is even nominated to the Triple Crown (connections stated they were pointing for the Snow Chief Stakes).

I hope so. . .

Handicappy 04-14-2009 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Payson Dave
I'm guessing that based upon his comments to Mike & Mark this morning (actually yesterday) KM will not be looking to keep Charitable Man headed for the Derby.

Nope. Travers focus from what I hear.

Sightseek 04-14-2009 07:02 PM

Terrain is not Derby bound...at least in KY.

Handicappy 04-14-2009 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Charitable Man is out of the Derby? I wonder if they will change their minds if he runs well in either of his next two starts, obviously the Lexington and Withers, as clearly what he really needs is three pre-Derby starts to get into condition.

I just hope this year's e-mail gets wide distribution.

Lighten up on the guy. He gave it a shot. You know you aren't right all the time either. Let's see there's Counter Move a couple back, Saarlight, Dream Play twice now. We all can make mistakes in this game.

chucklestheclown 04-14-2009 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbahadur
Off the Derby trail per Privman article on DRF.com due to "a stifle problem that plagued him as a 2-year-old flare anew, according to trainer Ken McPeek."

Is this a by-product of running back so soon from FLA? Too bad either way.

Kasept 04-15-2009 07:50 AM

AS OF 4/15/09:

1 Regal Ransom $1,250,000
2 Pioneerof the Nile $1,193,250
3 Square Eddie $774,981 Lexington Probable
4 I Want Revenge $774,000
5 Papa Clem $760,000
6 Desert Party $641,667
7 Quality Road $600,000
8 General Quarters $595,645
9 Friesan Fire $570,465
10 Musket Man $485,000

11 Hold Me Back $438,000
12 West Side Bernie $385,160
13 Chocolate Candy $370,000
14 Win Willy $230,000
15 Giant Oak $169,256
16 Dunkirk $150,000
17 Charitable Man $150,000
18 Flying Private $124,000
19 Mr. Hot Stuff $114,000
20 KDKC* Maafaz
---------------------------------------------
20* Summer Bird $100,000
21 Join in the Dance $90,000
22 Flying Pegasus $90,000
23 Take the Points $85,000

24 Atomic Rain $77,500
25 Just A Coincidence $75,000
26 Imperial Council $72,500

-BT- 04-15-2009 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept

AS OF 4/15/09:

1 Regal Ransom $1,250,000
2 Pioneerof the Nile $1,193,250
3 Square Eddie $774,981 Lexington Probable
4 I Want Revenge $774,000
5 Papa Clem $760,000
6 Desert Party $641,667
7 Quality Road $600,000
8 General Quarters $595,645
9 Friesan Fire $570,465
10 Musket Man $485,000

11 Hold Me Back $438,000
12 West Side Bernie $385,160
13 Chocolate Candy $370,000
14 Win Willy $230,000
15 Giant Oak $169,256
16 Dunkirk $150,000
17 Charitable Man $150,000
18 Flying Private $124,000
19 Mr. Hot Stuff $114,000
20 KDKC* Maafaz
---------------------------------------------
20* Summer Bird $100,000
21 Join in the Dance $90,000
22 Flying Pegasus $90,000
23 Take the Points $85,000

24 Atomic Rain $77,500
25 Just A Coincidence $75,000
26 Imperial Council $72,500



as deep as we thought this field was gonna be, they're dropping like flies now.. Terrain out, Giant Oak decsion coming monday. Hell, seeing imperial council get in (via earnings) is not totally out of the question


-bt-

Kasept 04-15-2009 07:54 AM

LEXINGTON PROBABLES:

Pitched Perfectly
Square Eddie
Advice
Hull
Conservative
El Crespo
His Greatness
Jeranimo
Masala
Mythical Power
Omniscient
Parade Clown
Brave Victory/Santana Six

Danzig 04-15-2009 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -BT-
as deep as we thought this field was gonna be, they're dropping like flies now.. Terrain out, Giant Oak decsion coming monday. Hell, seeing imperial council get in (via earnings) is not totally out of the question


-bt-

i doubt shug would run him tho.

slotdirt 04-15-2009 08:19 AM

I don't understand the decision to not run Terrain. The horse is nearly a lock for fifth place.

NTamm1215 04-15-2009 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slotdirt
I don't understand the decision to not run Terrain. The horse is nearly a lock for fifth place.

How many years are we chastising guys for running horses who have no chance? Al Stall is doing what he thinks is right for his horse and that's a good thing.

NT

Danzig 04-15-2009 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215
How many years are we chastising guys for running horses who have no chance? Al Stall is doing what he thinks is right for his horse and that's a good thing.

NT

:tro:

lemoncrush 04-15-2009 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215
How many years are we chastising guys for running horses who have no chance? Al Stall is doing what he thinks is right for his horse and that's a good thing.

NT

The gelding factor seems to be the key factor with him. Lots of other purses out there for 3-year olds, especially on synthetics, which Terrain seems to thrive on.

As far as the other horses with a shot getting in, what happened to Flying Pegasus after the LA Derby? Summer Bird isn't nominated I believe, although I would assume Pletcher and Zito would both jump at the opportunity to send "Take the Points" and "Just a Coincidence".

And as much as Imperial Council may have had an excuse in the Wood with his pre-race meltdown, I don't see Shug sending him to Churchill (although he did work at Belmont yesterday, so he must have come out of the race fine).

Kasept 04-16-2009 04:41 PM

AS OF 4/15/09:

1 Regal Ransom $1,250,000
2 Pioneerof the Nile $1,193,250
3 Square Eddie $774,981 Lexington
4 I Want Revenge $774,000
5 Papa Clem $760,000
6 Desert Party $641,667
7 Quality Road $600,000
8 General Quarters $595,645
9 Friesan Fire $570,465
10 Musket Man $485,000

11 Hold Me Back $438,000
12 West Side Bernie $385,160
13 Chocolate Candy $370,000
14 Win Willy $230,000
15 Giant Oak $169,256
16 Dunkirk $150,000
17 Mine That Bird
18 Flying Private $124,000
19 Mr. Hot Stuff $114,000
20 Summer Bird $100,000
---------------------------------------------
21 Join in the Dance $90,000
22 Flying Pegasus $90,000
23 Take the Points $85,000

24 Atomic Rain $77,500
25 Just A Coincidence $75,000

Merlinsky 04-16-2009 04:52 PM

Ah Lukas. I enjoyed Steve Haskin's remembrances on his trip to the Derby with Charismatic. http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...under?id=50129

Love him or hate him, he's a pretty fun character to have on the track for the Triple Crown. I can't help but get nostalgic. As long as I've followed racing, Lukas has been in it.

Sightseek 04-16-2009 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merlinsky
Ah Lukas. I enjoyed Steve Haskin's remembrances on his trip to the Derby with Charismatic. http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...under?id=50129

Love him or hate him, he's a pretty fun character to have on the track for the Triple Crown. I can't help but get nostalgic. As long as I've followed racing, Lukas has been in it.

Did you read "Three Strides From the Wire"?

Danzig 04-16-2009 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cardus
Does a "tentative earnings list" mean that we're not sure if the horses have actually earned the money?

probably because some of the rankings are subject to change since there are still a couple graded races left.

Scav 04-16-2009 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig
probably because some of the rankings are subject to change since there are still a couple graded races left.

He was being sarcastic about 'actually' earning the cash....

Danzig 04-16-2009 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
He was being sarcastic about 'actually' earning the cash....

yeah, i figured he was. can be hard to tell sometimes on here.

Merlinsky 04-16-2009 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sightseek
Did you read "Three Strides From the Wire"?

I haven't but I adored Charismatic. I looked it up on Amazon and looked at some of the reviews. Turns out the author couldn't even get the date of the first Santa Anita Handicap right if one is to be believed. Another said there were multiple factual errors. As I haven't read it, who knows, but I'm suspicious of what it might've said about Lukas. I'm going to assume it was critical right?

Sightseek 04-16-2009 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merlinsky
I haven't but I adored Charismatic. I looked it up on Amazon and looked at some of the reviews. Turns out the author couldn't even get the date of the first Santa Anita Handicap right if one is to be believed. Another said there were multiple factual errors. As I haven't read it, who knows, but I'm suspicious of what it might've said about Lukas. I'm going to assume it was critical right?

It wasn't critical of his training although I think it mentioned what he said about Antley after the Belmont and following his death. (the book follows Antley beyond the Belmont)

Merlinsky 04-16-2009 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sightseek
It wasn't critical of his training although I think it mentioned what he said about Antley after the Belmont and following his death. (the book follows Antley beyond the Belmont)

Oh interesting. I know some folks really have it out for him, and I'm not saying he deserves one way or the other, I just know that the face of trainers in the 90s for me was always him and Baffert and Zito. I assumed the book was just another one of the 'rag on D. Wayne' club. He does seem to be a sufferer of chronic verbal diarrhea. In truth, I wonder if it would bother any of us if we felt like a jockey who rode one of our horses had a past that was getting whitewashed. We obviously didn't know Chris. Lukas should've been introduced to the concept of tact though. Speaking ill of the dead isn't the same as carefully correcting the record. I wonder if he blamed any of Charismatic's situation on Chris. Did he imply the drugs affected the racing?

So that we're not completely off topic, looks like Flying Private could get in. Where is he on the Ten Cents a Shine--Charismatic spectrum of Derby horses from Lukas?

pick4 04-17-2009 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215
How many years are we chastising guys for running horses who have no chance? Al Stall is doing what he thinks is right for his horse and that's a good thing.

NT

Excellent point. One of the best Derby's in the last 15 years was the 1997 Derby. It was a field of 13 and it was a fabulous race.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDR40H3zWeY

zippyneedsawin 04-17-2009 05:57 AM

it's look less and less likely there will be 20 horses in the field this year.

gales0678 04-17-2009 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin
it's look less and less likely there will be 20 horses in the field this year.

agreed - i say 16 go


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