Weekend Stakes Beyers
 

Here are the winning Beyer Speed Figures from last week's stakes races:

*King Cotton (OP): Native Ruler (C. Richard/E. Razo Jr.) - 104

*Gulfstream Park Turf (GP): Kip Deville (R. Dutrow Jr./C. Velasquez) - 103
*Donn (GP): Albertus Maximus (K. McLaughlin/A. Garcia) - 101
*Hutcheson (GP): Capt. Candyman Can (I. Wilkes/J. Leparoux) - 100

*Holy Bull (GP): Saratoga Sinner (E. Kenneally/J. Leparoux) - 96
*Santa Monica (SA): Ventura (R. Frankel/G. Gomez) - 96
*Forward Gal (GP): Frolic's Dream (M. Wolfson/J. Bridgmohan) - 94
*Suwannee River (GP): Lady Carlock (C. Nafzger/J. Bridgmohan) - 92

*Wishing Well II (SA): Dawn After Dawn (J. Sadler/R. Bejarano) - 89
*La Habra (SA): Pasar Silbano - Ire (J. Cassidy/M. Smith) - 86
*Dancing Count (Lrl): Russell Road (J. Casey/T. Dunkelberger) - 86
*Manatee (Tam): Rising Fever - Brz (C. Clement/D. Centeno) - 85
*Black Gold (FG): Turfiste (R. Holthus/H. Theriot II) - 85
*Correction (Aqu): Distorted Passion (T. Pletcher/R Maragh) - 83

*Wistful (Aqu): What a Pear (J. Parker/C. Hill) - 79
*California Oaks (GG): Will O Way (V. Cerin/R. Baze) - 77
*Rattlesnake (TuP): Hidden Bounty (B. Hone/W. Dieguez) - 73

Anyone happen to know what the Beyer was for Gatorette in the 10th on Sunday? I think me and Phil were guessing high 80s to 90 range. That was the most impressive performance of the weekend to me, especially when you consider Fawkes' record with first time starters.

Any info on what Rail Trip got on Friday?

99.

If it had been a 110 it would have confirmed your suspicions that he is a super horse. Since it's a 99 it is obviously meaningless.

Or maybe the Beyer doesn't do either for me and I was just asking out of curiousity. I've learned over the years to make my own judgements of horses and not rely on Andy Beyer to do it for me. I don't consider his opinion to be superior to mine.

Thanks, not bad with a trainer that was like 0 for 39 with firsters in the last year.

GP MSW/ALW FIGS FROM LAST WEEK

Take the Points 93
Echo in Eternity 79
Brave Victory 95
Elusive Heat 109
Cool Coal Man 106

Take the Points was visually impressive. I'm waiting for the horse that came in 2nd, Masala, to come back in a similar spot.

Wont he be 4-5 in a similar spot ?

First of all, the speed figures aren't really an opinion.

Secondly, you can consider yourself to be the smartest, handsomest, strongest, or whatever you want. Dream on. His opinion on horses, at least, is, in fact, superior to yours.

Keeping a lookout for another horse in that race. I'm curious to see how Reggae Rose does moving forward. I dont think she'll turn into a top sprinter or anything, just one that I'm going to keep an eye on.

You are welcome to believe what you want. But I think it's comical to say that his figures aren't opinions. If they aren't opinions, then everyone that uses his system would come up with the same numbers for each race. There wouldn't be decisions to be made on whether or not to split a variant or use a single one. There wouldn't be a need to use previous races or projections because if it was all cut and dried and no opinion was put into the equation, we'd all get the same number. The simple fact that all systems aren't the same means that there are differing opinions on what should go into a system to make it a good one.

What is comical is your oversimplification of speed figures to suit whatever inane agenda you have. Of course there is opinion involved, however to suggest that they ARE opinions is to suggest that you don't understand speed figures and how they are made.

The simple fact is you wanted the number. When the number didn't verify your opinion about this horse you went off onto tangents. Not surprising.

Incredible. All I did was ask for the number. Before I could even type out a response, it was you that decided to make your comment about what it would mean to me. Then you say I went off on a tangent about it because it didn't verify anything? How do you even know what number I was looking for? Do you think I was looking for a 125 to make me feel good? It's silly of you to suggest that I was looking for any number in order to verify my opinion. I gave my opinion of him before knowing the number so if the number would have come back as a 200 or a 20, it wasn't going to change my opinion. Again, I don't look for Andy Beyer to verify what I believe in before I'll believe it.

It's incredible that someone as brilliant as you believe you are and that thinks everyone else is so incredibly stupid would take the time to even respond to us. Why do you waste your time? How nice of you to TELL ME what Beyer's number would mean to me and not letting me go through trying to figure it out for myself. You are such a wonderful man, despite what everyone else says about you.

Then why did you ask for the number if you didn't care?

As for the rest......it's easy for you to make lame remarks like that. Good luck.

Because I wanted to know what it was. I have the right.

Me, I let my opinions do the talking. You defend your right to your opinions because the words they speak don't speak for themselves.

I hope you are having fun.

I just find it interesting that you engaged this whole line of discussion around what the Beyer was for a specific horse. Then you later suggest that it doesn't matter and you don't put any importance to the Beyer number. YOU DO SEE THE CONTRADICTION HERE DON'T YOU? As for who is smarter, I am sure you have been handicapping long enough to know that this is a very humbling sport and such discussions tend to be silly.

Now why do you ask this if it wasn't important information for you?

As I explained to God earlier, I only asked the question. I asked because I was curious and wanted to know what it was. Now, if you and God both want to say that my asking the question means that I placed it on a level of importance with world hunger, that's up to you. I simply wanted to know what the number was.

Also, I don't believe that I said I don't place any importance on Beyer figures. You said that, not me. I only said that I don't use the numbers to formulate my opinion.

I don't get it. King Glorious is an idiot who's been sucking my IGGY since just about the 1st post of his that I saw. Boggles the mind, then, that so many spend so much time engaging him.

HOWEVER, let me give you an example of how he's not off base in this case. (Since I'm forced to read his **** by the quoters.)

Steve started a thread about Mr. Hot Stuff. When I look at my charts for this horse's races I notice that his most recent effort is REMARKABLY BETTER than his previous ones. This could be attributed to, among other factors:

1) very bad field -- so he ran the same race but it just looks a lot better
2) significant improvement by the horse

I don't use figures and while they won't play ANY role in determining how I ultimately evaluate his performance, I, nonetheless, am mildly curious as to whether he earned a better figure than he had previously.

Simple as that.

First Race: 102
Second: 101
Third: 99

I think people are putting waaaaaaaay too much stock in Beyer figures on the synthetics. From 2nd to last was like 5 lengths in that race, makes a big figure virtually impossible unless you want to give the whole field a career best.

Same here. I don't know the guy "King Glorious" so had some thought that there was some sort of logic to his comments. I was just trying to draw it out. I'm learning.

You are funny. Too bad you don't realize it.