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Better Than Honour 05-08-2008 08:20 AM

Kent Desormeaux to ride Casino Drive?
 
This seems a little odd unless Desormeaux knows something about Big Brown not running in the Belmont. Why would a trainer put this guy on his horse knowing he will not be available for the one race that brought Casino Drive over here. Either Kent Desormeaux has a really good agent or the trainer is not very smart. Probably both.

Coach Pants 05-08-2008 08:23 AM

Uh is there a link to a story or did you get this info fourthhand from Lonnie the OTB mush?

Better Than Honour 05-08-2008 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
Uh is there a link to a story or did you get this info fourthhand from Lonnie the OTB mush?

I got it from a person directly connected to the horse. This isn't a question of will he be riding, it is a question of why he is riding him. KD has the mount.

philcski 05-08-2008 08:41 AM

I think you're reading too much into this.

If Big Brown wins the Preakness, and moves on to the Belmont, Desormeaux will be riding- end of story.

Better Than Honour 05-08-2008 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by philcski
I think you're reading too much into this.

If Big Brown wins the Preakness, and moves on to the Belmont, Desormeaux will be riding- end of story.

Of course he will. So why would a trainer use a rider that he knows he isn't going to have for the Belmont? Wouldn't a trainer put a jockey on the horse that he knows will have ridden him one time before? There are a ton of jockeys out there that will be available for the belmont and peter pan.

VOL JACK 05-08-2008 08:58 AM

How did KD get the mount on BB anyway? didnt Prado ride him at saratoga? And since Edgar is first call for Dutrow, and KD never seems to ride for him seems weird KD got the call.

ninetoone 05-08-2008 09:02 AM

Jeremy Rose had the original mount.

Norfolk 05-08-2008 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Better Than Honour
I got it from a person directly connected to the horse. This isn't a question of will he be riding, it is a question of why he is riding him. KD has the mount.

From DRF story

Kent Desormeaux, who won the Kentucky Derby aboard Big Brown, will ride Casino Drive in the Peter Pan.
http://www.drf.com/news/article/94363.html

VOL JACK 05-08-2008 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ninetoone
Jeremy Rose had the original mount.

Yeah, I think Prado was the rider that was named but had a spill earlier in the day, or something like that.

miraja2 05-08-2008 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Better Than Honour
Of course he will. So why would a trainer use a rider that he knows he isn't going to have for the Belmont? Wouldn't a trainer put a jockey on the horse that he knows will have ridden him one time before? There are a ton of jockeys out there that will be available for the belmont and peter pan.

This is just a guess, but it might have something to do with the fact that the "jock who has ridden him before" angle makes virtually no difference whatsoever.

Travis Stone 05-08-2008 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Are jocks that important anyway?

I know I could name a few I'd rather avoid... but yes, you're right, at this level, they're largely similar.

blackthroatedwind 05-08-2008 09:43 AM

Kent also rode Cool Coal Man in the Blue Grass. Where were the Clouseaus then?

Deep breaths.

King Glorious 05-08-2008 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Sounds to me like they want the best rider they can for the Peter Pan and then they'll deal with the Belmont when it comes. What's the big deal? Are jocks that important anyway?

Exactly. Worry about today and let tomorrow take care of itself.

Better Than Honour 05-08-2008 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Sounds to me like they want the best rider they can for the Peter Pan and then they'll deal with the Belmont when it comes. What's the big deal? Are jocks that important anyway?

If jocks aren't that important than I think they could find quite a few that will be available for the Peter Pan and Belmont. This is Belmont Park. There are a ton of top jockeys there.

KD has a reputation for not showing up sometimes. I wouldn't want him to not show up on my horse knowing that my horse might be a threat to his star mount down the road.

Better Than Honour 05-08-2008 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Come on. Is this like some early excuse for how bad Casino Drive is likely to run?

No. I just don't see any reason to not put a jockey on the horse that will be riding him in the Belmont. It is foolish. Pick a jockey for the Belmont and put him on the horse for the Peter Pan.

He won't run poorly. It probably will be a 6-7 horse field and 3 or 4 of them won't be able to run 12f. Casino Drive obviously has the pedigree to go 12f. He will hit the board and be a serious threat to win if BB doesn't show up or can't run the distance, which seems unlikely. Although 12f is a long way to go with bad feet, especially when it is the 3rd race in 5 weeks.

blackthroatedwind 05-08-2008 09:59 AM

How come my Kent on Cool Coal Man in the Blue Grass has been ignored?

Oh, I know why, because it completely exposes how stupid this thread is.

SniperSB23 05-08-2008 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I'm just brainstorming here (scary, I know)but maybe there aren't a lot of jocks agents willing to make a 2 race committment to an unknown commodity? These guys and girls for the most part are professional. I don't see the big deal.

Yeah, not to mention that you give yourself the best chance to do well in the Peter Pan and then put yourself in the best position to get the best jockeys available for the Belmont.

MisterB 05-08-2008 10:37 AM

So Yamamoto has been pointing this horse to the Belmont since his easy maiden win back in Feb. 1 1/8 mile maiden debut win:cool: Since the PP has been the local prep race for the Belmont, he chooses the Jock who just won the No.1 Race in America.

Yea, those Japanese are real stupid people.

:)

cruised 5fl yesterday 59.95.

If he loses to this bunch, he should pack it up and head home.

blackthroatedwind 05-08-2008 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by MisterB
So Yamamoto has been pointing this horse to the Belmont since his easy maiden win back in Feb. 1 1/8 mile maiden debut win:cool: Since the PP has been the local prep race for the Belmont, he chooses the Jock who just won the No.1 Race in America.

Yea, those Japanese are real stupid people.

:)

cruised 5fl yesterday 59.95.

If he loses to this bunch, he should pack it up and head home.


Exactly.

He will, most likely, lose to this bunch.

Coach Pants 05-08-2008 10:48 AM

Ohhh a five furlong work in 59.95.

Half the field will scratch out of respect for that blazing work.

MisterB 05-08-2008 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Exactly.

He will, most likely, lose to this bunch.

Other than Lieutenant Ron, and maybe Shug's horse, this is not a good field.

If the son of Mineshaft has any guts, he should love the Big Sandy.

Maybe the Japanese are shopping, and boosting our economy with their YEN.

MisterB 05-08-2008 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
Ohhh a five furlong work in 59.95.

Half the field will scratch out of respect for that blazing work.


lol

blackthroatedwind 05-08-2008 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterB
Other than Lieutenant Ron, and maybe Shug's horse, this is not a good field.

If the son of Mineshaft has any guts, he should love the Big Sandy.

Maybe the Japanese are shopping, and boosting our economy with their YEN.


Lieutenant Ron may be VERY good.

Regardless, horses like this have a much better record of being phonies than not. Plus, from a betting standpoint, anytime a horse is bet strongly because of talk, and not performance, you are much better off playing against it.

MisterB 05-08-2008 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Lieutenant Ron may be VERY good.

Regardless, horses like this have a much better record of being phonies than not. Plus, from a betting standpoint, anytime a horse is bet strongly because of talk, and not performance, you are much better off playing against it.

Agreed. Odds are in the favor of the better this race.

Yamamoto may be the Dutrow of Japan.

;)

zippyneedsawin 05-08-2008 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Lieutenant Ron may be VERY good.

Regardless, horses like this have a much better record of being phonies than not. Plus, from a betting standpoint, anytime a horse is bet strongly because of talk, and not performance, you are much better off playing against it.


Are Japanese betting pools part of the NYRA handle? Casino Drive will be 1-20 if that's the case. Remember Deep Impact's odds in the Arc last year? LOL.

blackthroatedwind 05-08-2008 11:06 AM

Lieutenant Ron will NOT be running.

hockey2315 05-08-2008 11:45 AM

That sucks. . .

Linny 05-08-2008 11:58 AM

I understand KD taking the mount of Casino Drive. He's a nice horse in a G2 $200k race. My question is why the connections didn't reach out to someone who would retain the mount for the race that is the ultimate goal.

ALostTexan 05-08-2008 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ninetoone
Jeremy Rose had the original mount.

Scarey thing is, they could have stayed with Jeremy Rose and we would be talking about the tragic end of the Kentucky Derby winner right now.

slotdirt 05-08-2008 12:49 PM

I'm a big Jeremy Rose fan, so I also question that statement as borderline ridiculous.

RolloTomasi 05-08-2008 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterB
Since the PP has been the local prep race for the Belmont, he chooses the Jock who just won the No.1 Race in America.

Yea, those Japanese are real stupid people.

The irony of all this is that Kent D. has to be some sort of laughing stock in Japan via his misjudge of the finish line aboard Kotashaan in the '93 Japan Cup.

Maybe they think lightning can't strike twice.

MisterB 05-08-2008 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi
The irony of all this is that Kent D. has to be some sort of laughing stock in Japan via his misjudge of the finish line aboard Kotashaan in the '93 Japan Cup.

Maybe they think lightning can't strike twice.

You don't think KD is a better rider today. He may win the most improved cat.

:)

Cannon Shell 05-08-2008 02:37 PM

Desormeaux rode for a period of time in Japan. Maybe the trainer from there has used him before and values his opinion?

ateamstupid 05-08-2008 02:45 PM

36 posts on a total non-story, non-controversy (37 now). Awesome.

ELA 05-08-2008 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
How come my Kent on Cool Coal Man in the Blue Grass has been ignored?

Oh, I know why, because it completely exposes how stupid this thread is.

Not ignored. More like "put on hold". It's a good idea to deal with only controversial or conspiracy topic at a time. LOL.

Eric

paisjpq 05-09-2008 07:10 AM

Not a bad move by KD to get on his potential competition. The idea that he will get off BB for casino drive in the belmont, is insane.


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