hooves derby players.......
 

visonaire matz.. got something out of the blue grass was torpedoed in the first turn..then closed strong

smooth air stuts

runs well every time,getting some long works into em going into the derby


colonel john best of cali and good enough to get in the money


big brown ill key then toss........

liberty bull amoss hopefull didnt run in the last....


thats it and if all goes in derby who ill bet........

your list is almost identical to mine at this point. i hadn't considered Liberty Bull very strongly but he does have a good look.

as of today I'm leaning towards Colonel John or Visionaire on top.

You guys seriously toss Pyro?

The Bluegrass told you that much about the horse?
Or you never liked him before?

And all of this will change a great deal with the
infamous workouts before, and Post position draw.

hes ok....but ive never thought he was the super horse.....big browns speed is just too good....but dont know about the dist.. war pass cant get there to me..........they saved em in the bluegrass pgrdn.but hes been going backwards for a the last few ..though winning......

Big Brown will be tested in a severe manner I believe. There are a number of horses that will be running the first 7f like he might. It is said Brown can rate, off the pace or be right up with the leaders. There are a lot of horses that seem to be able to do this. I guess what I am saying is there appear to be horses that fit 3 major categories of style. Right now I dont think the race sets up great for any particular horse. And I think Browns preferred style (who can tell after so few races), is present in competitors. But who knows, he may be that much better.

So you think Pyro was going south before the Bluegrass?
Others think he is precocious(sp?) and had reached his peak as a 3yo.
But you hear they thought this after the Bluegrass. Discussed it before,
but then write about it after the Bluegrass.

Liberty Bull doesn't have the earnings.

Good list though. My list is mostly the same, but I'm not as high on Visionaire as you are.

Liberty Bull isn't going. Personally I don't see the appeal of Visionaire. His one big race was on a wet track in the fog and the horse he barely beat didn't run a step next out. He's also a Grand Slam so that doesn't bode well for 10F. Smooth Air has a good shot to hit the board but I doubt he wins.

I like Denis of Cork and Cool Coal Man as my price horses but think most of the favorites are solid. I'll probably use DofC, CCM, Pyro, Colonel John, Tale of Ekati, and Big Brown (defensively) in the PK4.

wait... what about.... court vision,cowboy cal, and monba ???

You know how I feel about those three.

I honestly think Pletcher wouldn't be sending Cowboy Cal if it was a typical year where he had 3-4 other derby-worthy horses. But being that he and Monba are his only two, he's giving it a shot.

I like court Vision, but I think I may key him in 3rd and 4th in some tris and supers. I just don't see him having enough speed to suck up past 3rd.

Monba I do like. Plus, I believe he broke his maiden going 2 turns at Churchill so he's not just a synthetic runner.
If you toss the Fountain of Youth, where he obviously had excuses, he would be near the top of many people's list.

i do not understand your feelings towards cowboy cal
maybe the other 2, but cowboy cal ?
sit 3-6, get first run on the leaders, jv opens him up, closers cant get to him

wow... would not be sending the second place finisher of the bluegrass ? who ran against a bias, it was mostly closers yesterday

There's no such thing as a bias on polytrack. It changes every race.

Cowboy Cal is slow. Reminds me of Cowtown Cat.

cowtown cat... thats funny.

he doesent?.....348k.........

Sunland's race isn't graded.

Please... stop. You need to take a breather. You've reached your posting lunacy quoto for the week...

Yes, but he is sired by Giant's Causeway.....

Doesn't that alone entitle him to be a great horse who can do anything and beat anyone?

I disagree about the bias, it was closer strong for the first couple days, yesterday speed did pretty well.

I don't know what to say about this reference of Cowboy Cal to Cowtown Cat.

Don't you think Cowboy Cal could do some damage in the turf, where he belongs? Cowtown Cat hasn't won a race since I don't think, couldn't even win at Morty Downs

Wow, I really have figured out why PG likes Cowboy Cal so much....

Not only is he sired by Giant's Causeway....

But he is very closely related to Commontator in his tail-female family.

PG's favorite stallion and his favorite active race horse!

He's a turf horse - bred primarily for turf and all of his good races have been on some form of turf. I know, I know. . . his race on dirt was his debut so it may not be indicative of his true ability on dirt. But, I'm not willing to bank on a Giant's Causeway taking to dirt when he's unproven on it. He's also not very fast (figs may not be as accurate because they were on turf/poly). Even if he did run as well on dirt as he does on grass/rubber there are a bunch of horses that have proven to be much better than him. His odds will be vastly overlaid because he's a Pletcher/Johnny V. and because he got 2nd in a G1 on a surface that is nothing like the one at CD.

The fact that speed did well does not a bias make.

On turf, sure Cowboy Cal could make some noise.

lol yes
you know it.

i know... giants causeway did nothing on dirt.

You are right, it wasn't a bias per say, but speed was alot better then normal yesterday.

They still have a real bad rail problem there, first three paths are absolutely quicksand...

Yeah, that's super relevant.

ok, then yea... storm cat never did anything on dirt...

what makes him only a turf horse ? lol because he has beem very very good on it ? this makes no sense to me

It's not what they did, it's what their progeny do.

You doing what you do makes no sense to everyone, yet we don't try to figure it out.

why is he only a turf horse ? explain it to me

...you mean other than getting beat a head in a Breeders' Cup Classic?

i was being sarcastic... i loved him and bet him win/place that day. heartbreaking loss for me, but not for america i guess

So, let me get this right. You had GC and the rest of America had Tiznow?

Wasn't GC a Euro? Think that's what he means. Everyone in America was rooting for Tiznow.

lol no... dident durkin call it " and tiznow does it for america"

It was sarcasm. I was trying to show PG that his sarcasm doesn't really shine through on a message board. People tend to take what you write for what it is.

Except get beat a head in the BC Juvenile...I love Cowboy Cal.......................In the Crown Royal on Oaks day.

wait the stormcat comment was sarcasim also

It was heartbreaking for me too. I was on Lemon Drop Kid. That was the lone downer on my best personal day at a racetrack..


Sarcastic, eh? Your humor is too sophisticated..