Derby Grid/Graded Earnings
 

1 Pyro 1,020,000
2 Tale of Ekati 738,000
3 Colonel John 720,000
4 Gayego 640,000
5 Big Brown 600,000

6 Z Humor 579,000
7 Monba 515,000
8 Court Vision 331,872
9 Z Fortune 329,000
10 Adriano 310,000

11 Recapturetheglory 300,000
12 Smooth Air 290,000
13 Cool Coal Man 212,767
14 Anak Nakal 212,216
15 Eight Belles (f) 210,000

16 Cowboy Cal 207,660
17 Behindatthebar 204,500
18 Visionaire 202,500
19 Big Truck 194,500
20 Bob Black Jack 180,000

21 Denis of Cork 165,000
22 Halo Najib $157,996
23 Indian Sun $154,000
24 Tomcito $151,292

Isn't Denis of Cork unlikely to go? Looks like I was premature in saying Halo Najib was out.

I have a tough time believing that there won't be at least one or two uncertains that are feeling a lot more certain right now. I'll be surprised if Porter doesn't have a filly in here. Why wouldn't you run a horse like Anak Nakal either? What the hell else is he going to do? A 95 Beyer is going to get second in this Derby and possibly first if Big Brown doesn't fire.

wont the bluegrass come back a decent number.....
my calculations have it being in the 99-104 range

question for historians, whats the lowest beyer to win the derby? whatever it is the record may be threatened this year.

giacomos had to be pretty low

Giacomo with 100

Looks like "under" that.

altho denis' owner cancelled many of the rooms he had reserved, he didn't sound like the trip was completely out of the question. i'd imagine his horse will ship to churchill and they'll play it by ear.

as for the jones fillies, i now look for eight belles to run on oaks day. and since she's their best, i'd be surprised to see any of his others run on saturday.

as for the bluegrass beyers...i don't know that it matters. i'll be shocked if that race is in any way a key to the derby.

Doesn't the owner still def. want to bring Denis of Cork, he just doesn't think he will have the earnings? I think if he can get in he will def. be in the Derby.

Would fourth in the Lexington bump Tomcito ahead of Denis of Cork?

Looks like Denis should come in at number 20.

Man, there are some horses very high on that list that in a normal year would have absolutely no business making the gate on May 3 in L-ville...

there are horses every year on the list that have no business going.

denis will squeak in i bet, i doubt proud spell takes up a hole on may 3.

Right, but what have you seen this year from, say, Z Humor, that makes you think that horse is a legitimate Derby horse? Hell, Turf War could be up in the top 10 list yet someone with half a brain figured out the horse doesn't belong in the Derby. I wish others would follow suit.

Then again, it's not like they're keeping someone who has any more of a chance from entering the race.

that's why i said elsehwhere only three year old earnings should count. it's a whole new season for these horses.

I'd like to see a point system to qualify. But I would use points earned as a 2YO.

Just read that the owner of Eight Bells is considering entering her for the Derby. At this point, my $$'s on her.

Here's the link to the story:

http://tcm.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=44586

She has absolutely no shot. . . That would really annoy me if they send her.

I'd like to see Denis get 21st.

You don't think he has any shot so wouldn't you want him to get in?

I'd love to see her in! She would have as good of a shot as most of these

I would prefer a new system to decide who gets in as well, although I don't really know what would be fair.
Perhaps graded earnings in races a mile or longer. That would take out the winners of those early 2-yo stakes races.
And then maybe...the top 10 are determined by graded earnings, and after that there's some kind of point system, selection committee, etc..
Who knows.

I say 3 year old graded earnings should be worth twice as much as two year old. . . First 15 get in that way. . . Then a "promoter's option" for the last five where a panel of experts chooses. . .

I think it should go by grade. The 2yo stakes should be just as important. I like 2yo races it gets me going for the Derby all summer long.

I don't see the Delta Jackpot being worth as much as the BCJuv. Or more than the Wood for that matter.

The Delta Jackpot should lose its grade

I love seeing the big purses, I just don't think it should be a free pass to the Derby. A good 2yo season should be a factor.

name a good horse that will miss the entry gate this year because they lack graded earnings.

let's be sure there's a problem before we replace an easily understood straight forward qualifying system with some rube goldberg contraption.

God, I hope not! :mad: got her @ 22-1 in the Oaks future (pool #1) would be a great score the day before the Derby at those odds.

The rules are the rules. Everyone knows them and everyone lives by them. Who gets in gets in. The current system is Rube Goldberg for dummies.

Steve, Anak Nakal is a GO for the Derby per the DRF article on their front page.

1 War Pass Nick Zito $1,470,000
2 Pyro Steve Asmussen $1,020,000
3 Tale of Ekati Barclay Tagg $738,000
4 Colonel John Eoin Harty $720,000
5 Gayego Paulo Lobo $640,000
6 Big Brown Richard Dutrow $600,000
7 Z Humor Bill Mott $579,000
8 Monba Todd Pletcher $500,000
9 Court Vision Bill Mott $331,872
10 Z Fortune Steve Asmussen $329,000
11 Adriano Graham Motion $310,000
12 Recapturetheglory $300,000
13 Smooth Air Benny Stutts $290,000
14 Cool Coal Man Nick Zito $212,767
15 Anak Nakal Nick Zito $212,216
16 Eight Belles Larry Jones $210,000
17 Cowboy Cal Todd Pletcher $207,660
18 Visionaire Michael Matz $202,500
19 Big Truck Barclay Tagg $194,500
20 Bob Black Jack James Kasparoff $180,000

Denis of Cork David Carroll $165,000
Halo Najib Dale Romans $157,996
Tomcito Dante Zanelli $151,292 *** (LEX)
Atoned Todd Pletcher $140,000 *** (Lex)


So this is the prospected field, with the Lexington possibly causing Bob's Blackjack and Big Truck to get excluded, IF Tomcito/Atoned run 1-2

They can finish:

1. Behindatthebar/Racecar/etc..
2. Atoned
3. Tomcito

and the Visionaire would be in trouble too..

Pretty sad..

I don't know, he seems to be improving I guess, PLUS I have a future wager on him :)

I'd rather see the connections suffer so we can get more apology letters.

I know, it is a reach,but at least I have a 5% natural odds chance of cashing :)