Denis of Cork's owner: My bad
 

V-e-r-y interestink.
http://paulmoranattheraces.blogspot....er-my-bad.html

Wow. Heartfelt. I feel for him.

"Whaaaah the track wasn't fair."

As you'll see by my comment on the Blog, that letter was NOT for the public but a private Email to Mr. Warren's circle of friends.. It got out to some members of the racing media and Moran has been irresponsible as can be using it in the way he has. When informed that the Email had been widely circulated, Mr. Warren asked those decent enough to call him to not make it public.

If that's the truth in it, then if Paul Moran had any -----, he'd do the right thing and take it down off his website.

Thanks for the heads up, Steve.

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Exactly what I did Coach.....

He must have told everyone that could listen to place a bet on him, becuase that is a pretty hilarious email...

Just goes to show (although everyones's probably guilty of this at some time or another), never put anything out into the ether that you can't live with everyone knowing.

I have no problem with this either. I love the fact that he admitted to his mistakes. At least he was a man and blamed himself.

it was big of the guy to accept the blame, in a situation that obviously had to be a big letdown for many, but I don't buy his putting the blame on the track. if the horse can't handle that mild bit of adversity, a speed favoring track, it probably saved them from an even bigger disappointment in the derby.

earlier on the card I see a couple of route races on that day that had horses winning from 6 lengths off the pace, in another the horse came from 5th.

I remember last year it was Cobalt Blue who was supposedly brought low by the speed favoring Hawthorne strip when the reality turned out to be that Cobalt Blue was over-rated.

yeah it does favor speed, but why was DoC not even able to maintain his position in front of Atoned?

That is a pretty shady thing for him to do to a private letter even if someone else had to hand it over in the first place. I feel bad for Mr. Warren, he obviously had a thought out reason for changing tactics with Denis and unfortunately they didn't work out. I know people will say what they will about a horses connections, but even the most genius trainer doesn't always end up with the result they hoped for come race day. We've all had our coulda, woulda, shoulda moments....it's too bad this had to occur now since going into the race on Saturday Denis was well regarded for the KY Derby.

Whatever the situation with the private letter, it's compounded when one comes across misinformed in it.

He really needs to take a close look at the charts of the first 6 races and then decided whether he agrees with his initial bias assessment.

What cooked Denis was that final 1/8th in 12.12 immediately after a 24.05 4th qtr. Ole Denis backed up like a little bitch.

Nothing passed the last 3 splits of the race; however, DoC was 4th best, if that.

Don't feel too sorry for Warren. I would guess that he made his choice despite the best advice of his trainer (at least Haskin implied as much in a recent column).
http://tcm.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=44473
On the other hand, I guess Derby fever hits everyone. It's just that with the wealthy, the symptoms are more grandiose.

Grandiose?

Warren seemed pretty humble to me.

LOL, I was thinking the same...

If I have a possible KY Derby horse, and I pay your hotel and airfare so we can all get together in Louisville, then I screw it up, and I write you a depressed apology - I'd hope you would have the class not to put my private note to you out in public.

Manners. Ethics.

I meant that when you've got lots of money, your illusions may be larger and your mistakes more public. A regular joe might brag to his friends that he's doped out the Derby winner, and have to live it down with them if he falls flat. The owner of Derby contender, on the other hand, especially if he thinks he knows enough to call the the shots, will have to live down his flubs in the media, in the public eye.

I agree. But you probably have a much nicer view of humanity than me.

$86,000 should go to show anybody who's never been to the Derby that dizang, do prices go up in Louisville during the first weekend of May!

That being said, this is why owners own and trainers train.

Mr. Warren failed with the handling of this horse and that letter. He should've said he'll let the trainer make the decisions from here on out. He didn't. Doesn't he know that Carroll galloped Easy Goer fer christsakes!!?!

I laughed......




Sorry Steve... but ya gotta admit there is damn good humor there.

It was funny the first 5 times or so. . .

sooooo yer sayin that I'm a little slooooowww.....


perhaps it's all in his delivery and timing...or perhaps someone just needs to lighten da puck up

Bykman
Whether or not it was meant for public view or not, it was written and released. If the guy was just informing his friends he should have called. For good or bad someone released it.

What Moran did with this Email was really bad, and I was shocked by the inappropriateness of it. Those that know the Warrens say they are as generous and gracious a set of owners as exist anywhere in the game. Many in the media got to know them during Saint Liam's run. Using that Email in a blog format and passing it off as a note to the public was intrusive, mean-spirited, and designed to humiliate, and I think Moran will regret having done it. It reflects very poorly on him.

I agree.....








......PP's line was still funny however

I read the letter on a different site early this week, before Moran posted it, so clearly it was "out there" already when Paul put it on his site.
I have no idea how it was leaked to media other than that some media members may have been on Mr Warren's email list. If something like that lands in the inbox of most members of the press, it will go public.

My alternate theory is that someone on the list, feeling sympathetic for his friend (Warren) and hearing the bashing going on early this week may have released it to show Warren's admission of responsibility to DOC's fans etc.

I'm glad you made that comment. Needed to be said. And that e-mail is still up on the site.

You know ... if he had received this, Steve Haskin wouldn't have published it.

I know that the internet opens up everybody to immediate intimate scrutiny - heck, everything we've ever written here on this board is saved in some server. I've seen people I know make debacles of their reputation on internet lists, saying things they would never say in public or face to face.

But are class, empathy, respect, consideration, manners ... good taste ... just dead?

Am I a dinosaur? :D

Good insight into an owner.

Is he a trainer?

Why the hell hire a trainer if you got the course
all mapped out? He may be gracious etc... but let him
get his butt a training license and do the work.

Hell let him lose weight and ride the damn horse.

Stick to what you do best, and let the professional
you hired do the job. What is Carroll, just a trainer
that never thinks about horses, just piddles around
while the owners do the training?

No need to hire Carroll or a jockey. Just do it
for yourself.

Hubris squared.

Notre Dame man; oil man. Enough said.
Start thinking about Coal gasification and
stay away from your horse.

I think its rather foolish to send out an email to alot of people and not expect it to no get out, especially something as heart felt as that email.

This does not make the owner look bad at all IMO, he feels like he made a mistake, so what.

If only every owner were as humble as he is :)

As to the horse, it just shows what pace can do to the outcome.

Denis of Cork's run in the Southwest (Pace 112, Speed 94) was the trip of a lifetime. I'm not going to photoshop pictures with circles, but he sat well of a runoff leader going way, way too fast and just inherited the win when all those in front of him collapsed. He had a perfect scenario and got a whopping mid 90s Beyer.

In the Illinois Derby, he stayed in basically the same spot, but the pace was a slow for those type horses. When the jockey of Golden Spikes took back, it allowed the leader to cruise alone up front and he simply had too much left turning for home and was never going to be caught.

Now, I don't think the track was particularly biased, though speed certainly didn't hurt, but the race was biased due to the pace. Even so, how do you explain him getting beaten rather easily by Atoned?

Sissy.

If you did so for the Southwest and Rebel - the horse you'd focus on with the pictures would have been Sierra Sunset.

Both of them had Sacred Journey running off - but Sierra Sunset was being pestered by sprinter Silver Edition and never allowed to rate - where in the Rebel Sierra Sunset had an excellent tactical position.

While Denis Of Cork rated off that crazy fast pace in the Southwest - he was still in mid-pack - in front of half the field.

To me, it's not so much that DoC had a great trip - his trip was no better than all but three horses in the race - it's that the strong early pace set him up and allowed him to run his "ceiling" final time speed figure.

Where as the slow paced Hawthorne race was like a short sprint - with the top two finishers getting a head-start - and him stuck wide while the winner was on the best footing inside.

I already mentioned the Sierra Sunset trip in one of your picture threads. Do pay attention son.

Denis of Cork did have a better trip than those behind him, but they all sucked anyway, so he had the best trip of those that mattered in the Southwest. I bet him that day (just look back at the favorites!) but did not come away very impressed.

Isn't that what I said? But like I also said, it doesn't explain getting whipped by Atoned.

Sorry man...

If you'd have just used pictures to try and get your point across....

Giggity

Why does it take 150 posts on this forum before we finally get a CORRECT interpretation of the obvious?

A Dubai company -- closely tied to the Royal Family, perhaps a Royal Family company -- buys Fasig Tipton -- and this is what people are talking about, LOL.

Much ado about nothing to me. I don't see the big deal at all.

Eric

We're a ponderous lot... ;)