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The Indomitable DrugS 04-01-2008 10:51 PM

Perfect Trip Picture Thread
 
Some pictures of textbook perfect trips from races on the '08 Derby Trail....


Style of Perfect Trip: Uncontested lead through soft pace





Rich Young Ruler - at 112/1 odds - somehow found himself loose on an uncontested lead in one of the absolute slowest pace Derby preps in history. He was still beaten 5 lengths by winner Pyro, and finished 2 lengths behind next out Gotham winner Visionaire.

Next time out, Rich Young Ruler ran in an N1X alw race at OP and was bet to 9/5 favortisim. He was sent, but still not quite fast enough to get the lead in this spot, he finished 7th beaten 40 lengths and earned a 10 Beyer.





War Pass makes an uncontested early lead through very slow fractions in his ALW win. He wins easily. Next time out he has some early trouble and is denied the lead for the first time in the Tampa Derby. He finishes last by many at 1/20 odds.

The Indomitable DrugS 04-01-2008 10:52 PM

Style of Perfect Trip: Isolated 4th while rating off of a 3-way pace battle

One of the more famous instances of this trip happened in the '96 Pacific Classic. The mighty trio of Siphon, Dramatic Gold, and Cigar (on a 16 race win streak) hooked up in a 3-way pace duel through very fast fractions - while the wildly inferior Dare And Go was placed perfectly by Solis.



Dare And Go never won again - his 116 Beyer that day regressing to 105, and 92 in his next two starts.

As for the three duelers, Cigar (beaten 3.5) won the Woodward easily next out. Siphon (beaten 10.5) was layed off, won an alw in his very next start over that years BC Sprint winner, than won the Santa Anita Handicap with a 120 Beyer off that alw race. Dramatic Gold (beaten 18 lengths) won his next start one month later in a Gr 2 stake holding off that years Breeders Cup Classic winner Alphabet Soup. After that win, he shipped East and outdueled Formal Gold with a 5/1 win in the Grade 1 Meadowlands Cup.

As for the '08 Derby Trail.....



El Gato Malo wins the San Rafeal with a monster synthetic route race Beyer of 99. Besides for the huge synthetic fig, EGM won this race in VERY impressive style visually..drawing off under a hand ride to win by daylight. He lossed the Sham Stakes at 1/2 odds next out..his figure dropping 15 points.




Anak Nakal winning a Grade 2 stake...while Halo Najib, Cool Coal Man, and another horse fight it out for the lead. Anak Nakal returned to run horrific races in the Fountain of Youth and Rebel Stakes.

The Indomitable DrugS 04-01-2008 10:52 PM



The Big Brown allowance win was knocked in a big way by noted Ragozin Sheet expert John Hardoon - because 'it was taken off the turf, and the 2nd place finisher was 45/1 in five horse field! 45/1 in a five horse field runs 2nd and he's the next Curlin!.. Are you kidding me!?'

Great point Rag guy - but your problem is the 45/1 shot was getting a dream trip - and the horse who obliterated him was taking heat from quick horses through quick fractions.




You have the 8/5 second choice loose and going fast, the 3/5 favorite concerned only about what's in front of him, and the rank outside being hustled to try and keep up with the favorites.

That leaves Majestic Warrior, the only other runner in the race, to mop up the trio of speed sprinters in the stretch and look like the hero.



Style of Perfect Trip: Inside post, ground saving 1st turn, good positon far turn while boxed, gets out smooth. AKA "inside-out trip"

Cool Coal Man's Fountain of Youth win and Autsim Awareness's El Camino win both featured an identical looking trip from start to finish.



Coach Pants 04-01-2008 10:57 PM

I was hoping for a pshop exclusive flying spaghetti monster appearance.

Scav 04-01-2008 11:09 PM

He is making up for getting smoked by that dude about his breeding knowledge.

This is some good stuff right here Doug...

MISTERGEE 04-01-2008 11:29 PM

may i say great job, and thank you

Indian Charlie 04-01-2008 11:53 PM

what's the point?

Kasept 04-02-2008 05:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
what's the point?

For inexperienced fans and fledgling horseplayers, these photo illustrations and accompanying explanations by Doug are outrageously informative. They help someone understand a concept that typically is tough for lightly-experienced fans to grasp. The visual presentation is brilliant.

If you want to understand why the above is a wonderful contribution from D.S., read the Terms of Service. I started this site and manage it with the goal of bringing more fans to the game. The sharing of information and the discussion it generates in a thread like this helps players win and enjoy the game more which is one of the main tenets of DT. (As opposed to threads started with the intent to ridicule specific members.. for example.)

cmorioles 04-02-2008 05:36 AM

It should also be noted that the bad trip Sierra Sunset (San Rafael) came back to run a couple big ones at OP.

fpsoxfan 04-02-2008 05:47 AM

Good Stuff Drugs! Thanks for the info!

justindew 04-02-2008 06:39 AM

Very good stuff.

Bigsmc 04-02-2008 06:45 AM

Impressive Drugs. I'm sure a lot of work went into these.

GBBob 04-02-2008 07:02 AM

I'll admit it, I may understand more about racing than the many, but compared to most on here, I don't know crap so I try and read and learn and welcome anything that helps...and this does. I'm sure to some it's basic stuff, but I thought it was a cool post

zippyneedsawin 04-02-2008 07:02 AM

Thanks for the show & tell, DrugS... very cool. :cool:

smuthg 04-02-2008 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justindew
Very good stuff.

DrugS, thanks... outstanding work!

pgiaco 04-02-2008 09:39 AM

Great stuff. Thank you.

sumitas 04-02-2008 11:29 AM

Thanks DrugS. A super presentation about pace in a race. You can see the toll headstrong horses can take on each other battling for the lead.

Antitrust32 04-02-2008 11:30 AM

how come i cant see drugS pics? I have my "show images" thingy checked!

I would very much like to see drugS fine work.

cmorioles 04-02-2008 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antitrust32
how come i cant see drugS pics? I have my "show images" thingy checked!

I would very much like to see drugS fine work.

Are you at work? He probably posted them on one of his porn sites and you are being filtered.

Antitrust32 04-02-2008 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmorioles
Are you at work? He probably posted them on one of his porn sites and you are being filtered.


yes thank you. Unfortunatley i do not have a computer at home (if ya'll remember my tragic beer spilling experience on my sony vaio this past summer at toga). I'll just use my imagination.

Hickory Hill Hoff 04-02-2008 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan
Good Stuff Drugs! Thanks for the info!

there you go again! :D

hey, tell me who said this quote;

"I have no idea. I think everything is fouled up. I think the whole world is fouled up."

here's a hint; he and our new governor have something in common. ;);)

Hickory Hill Hoff 04-02-2008 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antitrust32
yes thank you. Unfortunatley i do not have a computer at home (if ya'll remember my tragic beer spilling experience on my sony vaio this past summer at toga) . I'll just use my imagination.

haven't got a new one yet?

Hi Lori.....how's it going? :)

Cajungator26 04-02-2008 11:42 AM

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notyep59 04-02-2008 11:42 AM

definite good work, drugs. i think the pictures helped explain it as much as the words, which were very good, too. well done.

Cajungator26 04-02-2008 11:50 AM

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Antitrust32 04-02-2008 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff
haven't got a new one yet?

Hi Lori.....how's it going? :)


no i'm poor! Its going well, saw kns yesterday and am still hoping to get to toga for a bit this summer.

Cajungator26 04-02-2008 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antitrust32
no i'm poor! Its going well, saw kns yesterday and am still hoping to get to toga for a bit this summer.

Can you see the pics now, L? I attached them as files.

Antitrust32 04-02-2008 11:53 AM

Thank you Cajun!

Gate Dancer 04-02-2008 12:55 PM

Wow!!!!
 
Absolutely great stuff................verifies the concept that how the 'figure' was generated is as (or more) important as the 'figure' itself.

The Indomitable DrugS 04-02-2008 03:19 PM

Thanks guys.

I had a root canal yesterday. My dentist took a bunch of X-ray's and what he was saying made no sense until I saw pics.

Indian Charlie 04-02-2008 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
For inexperienced fans and fledgling horseplayers, these photo illustrations and accompanying explanations by Doug are outrageously informative. They help someone understand a concept that typically is tough for lightly-experienced fans to grasp. The visual presentation is brilliant.

If you want to understand why the above is a wonderful contribution from D.S., read the Terms of Service. I started this site and manage it with the goal of bringing more fans to the game. The sharing of information and the discussion it generates in a thread like this helps players win and enjoy the game more which is one of the main tenets of DT. (As opposed to threads started with the intent to ridicule specific members.. for example.)

Relax man, I wasn't being sarcastic or hostile. I just wanted to have him followup with what point he was trying to make. He seemed to be going somewhere specifically with his posts when they abruptly stopped, leaving me wondering what he was trying to say.

As for your latter point, yeah, that's true, I did start a thread to ridicule someone. That's not something I normally get in the habit of doing and as you know quite well, I've also defended that person. It being April Fools day and all, I thought I'd make a wee joke. Unlike other posters on here, who never ridicule others!

Hickory Hill Hoff 04-02-2008 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antitrust32
no i'm poor! Its going well, saw kns yesterday and am still hoping to get to toga for a bit this summer.

Just a bit? :confused:

CSC 04-03-2008 06:18 AM

I would love to know what kind of program you need to do this type of illustration?

TheSpyder 04-03-2008 06:29 AM

Very nice information indeed.

Thanks...

Question also about program...how long did it take you to do this?

Maybe you could have a highlight race of the week and do the same thing explaining what happened?

Watcha think Drugs?

Spyder

Indian Charlie 04-03-2008 01:26 PM

This is actually pretty simple and can be done without Photoshop, which you'd either have to spend 100's of dollars on or download with a crack.

1. Download and install IrfanView, a free graphics program.
2. Open the video file with IrfanView and play until you get to the point in the video you want to edit.
3. Stop the video (or pause) and do a screen capture.
4. Save the screen capture as a jpg file.
5. Using the paint tools, draw the box like Druggie did around the areas you'd like to highlight, using whatever colors you see fit.
6. Add text as needed.
7. Save file with new name.

You can do any one of these shots in two minutes or less, once you have everything installed and you know your way around the program.

brianwspencer 04-03-2008 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
This is actually pretty simple and can be done without Photoshop, which you'd either have to spend 100's of dollars on or download with a crack.

1. Download and install IrfanView, a free graphics program.
2. Open the video file with IrfanView and play until you get to the point in the video you want to edit.
3. Stop the video (or pause) and do a screen capture.
4. Save the screen capture as a jpg file.
5. Using the paint tools, draw the box like Druggie did around the areas you'd like to highlight, using whatever colors you see fit.
6. Add text as needed.
7. Save file with new name.

You can do any one of these shots in two minutes or less, once you have everything installed and you know your way around the program.

It could all be done in the simple Paint program that comes pre-installed on most PCs, too. Basically the same process, really.

Indian Charlie 04-03-2008 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brianwspencer
It could all be done in the simple Paint program that comes pre-installed on most PCs, too. Basically the same process, really.

Yup. I thought about mentioning that, but IrfanView does a lot more for the average user than Paint does.


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