Big Truck - NY bred
 

He is a "true" NY bred in that his sire Hook And Ladder is NY based. He is now the #1 leading sire in NY after Big Truck's win. There are so many "NY breds" that are conceived outside NY but dropped in NY, making them a NY bred.
http://www.nybreds.com/frames/FS_foalbarn.html

You can see "NY breds" by Kitten's Joy, Pulpit, Giacamo, Smarty Jones etc, etc. Makes it kind of tough to compete for NY breeders that use NY based stallions.

That must partly be a reason for sires like Utopia, Andromeda's Hero, Golden Missile, Smooth Jazz etc to locate to NY. Local breeders need access to compete with the carpet baggers.

If you don't like the carpetbaggers, get the rules changed or put your mare on a van. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

You've got to be kidding with this.. For starters, the purses and awards, as well as NYRA's commitment to the NYB program, are outageously disproportionate to the quality of the racing. For that alone, the NY breeder should be grateful...

The monies made available to the poor, unfortunate "NY breeders that use NY based stallions" are STILL there after the 'carpetbagger' breeders' runners, who enhance the profile of the program, clear their NY bred conditions. It seems that at some point, every slow-moving NY bred barge manages to find a port...

IN POINT OF FACT... NY breeders who are using the NY sires should be grateful for the higher profile and more talented artificial NY breds as their presence in the program helps the muskrats amass earnings far out of whack with their talent by retaining NYB conditions LONGER.

It's the NY taxpayer's money and it is mostly benefitting the upper echelon of racing which are out of staters. I don't see why NY money needs to subsidize out of state interests. If anything, the incentives could be cut and targeted for "true" NY breds, those sired and foaled in NY.

But that won't happen so "true" NY breds will have to continue to slam dunk the fakes.

inventor of the ny state bred turf sprint race........46k nw3x

I am not sure that people are going to get to excited watching "True NY Bred" blaze 6f's in 115.4..At least this way you have a shot to develop a Precise End and Freud.

Isn't the idea of the NYB program to support the farms in New York state that breed horses?

I would think there are a lot of individuals employeed at farms in New York to care for all of the mares and their foals that they birth each year in New York regardless of where the stallion stands. I think letting mares breed outside of New York and allowing the resultant foal to qualify as NY Breds is a good thing. At a minimum it should improve the quality of NY bred racing if not he "class" of NY Breds.

NY will probably never compete with Kentucky for recruiting the top stallions but to prevent NY mares from breeding to them would be a disservice to NY Breeders and probably drive many breeders with top borderline mares to leave NY for greener pastures elsewhere. This would be a huge step backwards for the NY program as the qualify of NY Bred races would decline while the purses hopefully increase.

The Big (NY) Truck is rollin now.

And notice in the link, if you want to, 3rd place finisher Dynamic Wayne is by NY based Eltish. So there.

http://www.nybreds.com/

You all make some good points and I understand your insight. #$%^(*&^%$#$%!!!

Don't forget about Spanky Fischbein (another Hook and Ladder.) :p

I saw Hook And Ladder one time in the paddock at the spa. Kimmel was saddling him. As I recall he was slightly built.

He's a nice looking hoss IMO. Pretty 'racey' looking, but he seems to have a decent amount of bone and a nice shoulder.

There were quite a few horses at the two-year-olds in training sales last year by Hook and Ladder that could really run. Some of them are nice hosses.

Sons of Dixieland Band seem to do OK at stud... I wonder how the Bowman's Band two year olds are going to look this year when they hit the track.

Here's a neat bloodhorse comparison of the 2...
http://www.bloodhorse.com/stallion-r...s/default.aspx

note: Scroll down to the comparison section. If you enter Hook And Ladder you can then compare him to Bowmans Band, etc. Purty cool.

H & L has done well. He deserves credit. You'd think the Bowman's Band juvis should do well also. BB looks stockier than H&L.

AMEN

i hit a large ticket with I promise at belmont way back when
http://www.nybreds.com/racing/entrie...s_breeder.html

The NY State Breeding and Development Fund provides an incentive to breed to NY stallions. If you breed to a NY stallion your breeder/owner awards are 20% of purses earned, and if by an out of state stallion the award is 10% of purse earned. The breeder has the option of trying for the bigger breeder awards or higher quality stallions. There is nothing devious about the rules. They are very straightforward.

Are CalBreds any better?

Thank you pgiaco. I am not an expert on any breeding rules and I appreciate your educating myself. That rule makes a whole lot of sense to me.

I'm here to learn not just shout.

Glad I can help, Sumitas. NY does a good job of trying to level the playing field as far as breeding goes. It sometimes is a difficult decision, Since I run some of my NY breds out of state I tend toward the KY stallions. But I have a couple of Catienus babies (before he left NY) and I am a fan of Freud and I'm sending a mare to Hook and Ladder this year.

Sunriver is standiing in N.Y.

I'ts only going to get better when the slot money starts rolling in.

Funny Pgiaco, i have a Freud weanling and the mare has a Hook in her belly ready to drop...

You are a super owner and as always, thank you for a dialogue. Catienus is rock solid, Hook And Ladder is out of the gates fast as a sire, and Desert Warrior has put up some impressive numbers early. I do believe NY has never had a deeper sire corps than now.

Will your Teuflesberg, one of this board's most popular 3 year olds of last year, be a NY bred ?

The roster in NY keeps improving. Some nice horses have been lost to sale, transfer or death over the last decade or so but new young stallions have taken up residence.
Hook and Ladder is off to a great start but like Precise End a few years ago, a great start often fortells a rapid sale and transfer out of NY. I thought that stallions like Precise End and City Zip could have been very important tallions had they stayed in NY. It's typical of the market though that (like a racehorse) a hot young sire is a volatile commodity and owners need to sell when they can.
Belong To Me has been only a modest success since leaving NY. I'd have liked to have seen CZ and PE stick around.

Yes, the Teuflesberg-True Advantage foal will be a NY bred, also toying with the idea of sending a With Approval mare to him.
I agree that the NY stallion roster is getting deeper, but the loss of Catienus to KY hurts. Utopia and the rest of the new stallions have big shoes to fill.

Super owner?!? I might have to print that and hang it on the refrigerator. Thanks Sumitas.

It is going to be hard to attract top stallion prospects to NY simply because the majority of 'real NYbred mares' owners arent willing to pay high stud fees. A vast majority of the KY sired NYbreds arent resident NY mares, just people playing the system. State bred programs are great for smaller owners in many ways but in some ways do not give great incentive for mare owners to upgrade their quality. I have asked a number of top stud farms in KY why they dont set up smaller operations in NY and they all pretty much thought that the majority of breeders wont support a $15000 and up stallion. Maybe they are not correct but it seems odd that no one is really trying especially in light of the slot money that is looming.

And of course a 'Super Owner' can only utilize a 'Super Trainer'... And luckily... One returns Thursday!!

He's slimmer, trimmer, leaner, meaner.. Tanned and taught.. Fit and ready..

SCIACCA.. He's back!

"And this time it's personal..."

YAYYY...how about a swim shoot shot for the ladies :D

http://growabrain.typepad.com/photos...u_ferrigno.jpg

Hysterical. You know, Ferrigno, from the neck up, actually DOES resemble Sciacca!

yeah he does!! LOL

Ferrigno has a LOT more hair.

Cannon, I guess the farms in KY would know better, but I know several NY breeders who would support a higher end stallion or 2 in NY, especially with the looming slot money. By the time you ship a mare and pay KY sales tax on the season the cost becomes quite prohibitive. I for one would definitely support an upper end stallion that stood here.

I know several people that would and some of the lesser KY stallions would be great fits in NY. Louisiana is another state that needs stallion support especially considering their breedback rules are very rigid. They have a great program but the stallions are horrible.

Breedback rules?

You need to get a second date before you understand

I am literally speechless right now, all my comebacks that I have typed don't do your response its worthyness....

This is enough...

it doesn't happen very often so enjoy it

NY Bred Sires
 

It also seems that whenever a NY Bred sire gets good that they are subject to be moved to Kentucky (or elsewhere) and then have their stud fee raised. City Zip is a prime example of this in the past couple of years.

Also, am i correct that the majority of those who breed to a stallion in NY generally do not pay full stated stud fees but work out a deal????

PSH