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kentuckyrosesinmay 03-15-2008 04:57 PM

Oh my gosh
 
BIG TRUCK. What is wrong with War Pass?

Linny 03-15-2008 04:59 PM

he was last, something not right. Either that or he simply must make the front. Yikes, could we all be so wrong?

declansharbor 03-15-2008 05:00 PM

Congrats to those that had Big Truck!! Solid effort.

hoovesupsideyourhead 03-15-2008 05:01 PM

richard grunders voice knocked the wind out of em......i wouldent be too concerned....

ateamstupid 03-15-2008 05:01 PM

I can't believe that he didn't blow these away after so impressively beating those terrors at Gulfstream.

Police, report to the nearest Tampa bridge.

If he's not hurt (hope he's not), I don't wanna hear about how he was compromised at the start. He should've been able to spot these horses 10 lengths and still win.

trifecta124 03-15-2008 05:02 PM

He din't get to the lead....That was the problem.

TitanSooner 03-15-2008 05:02 PM

you're the best

The Bid 03-15-2008 05:03 PM

Did you guys watch the race?

The horse was unsettled to start, broke a step slow, was pinched back, then rank. Starters have to do a better job than that, I could see his head wasnt set and Im watching on Harnessracingtv.

declansharbor 03-15-2008 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trifecta124
He din't get to the lead....That was the problem.

More like he ran into a brick wall approaching the turn for home.

Danzig 03-15-2008 05:04 PM

it happens. coast guard going to be busy picking up all those bridge jumpers.

Linny 03-15-2008 05:05 PM

Over $150 in the show payoffs.

trifecta124 03-15-2008 05:05 PM

If he is as good as everyone thinks, he should have won this race for fun. That is why he was 1/9. I saw no excuses.

kentuckyrosesinmay 03-15-2008 05:06 PM

I thought the horse would win, but I never thought he was as good as everyone else did. I still thought that he was in the top 5 in the country though, but not in the top 3.

BF had 30 to win on Big Truck. Yay, and I told him he was crazy. I really thought War Pass would romp here, but get beaten later on down the road.

Still need to see if something went wrong with him though.

Big Truck deserves all the credit. This was a tremendous effort from this horse. Tagg was right...again.

Now, can everyone be quiet about how great War Pass is if he didn't get hurt. Hope he isn't hurt.

The Bid 03-15-2008 05:06 PM

Then you dont understand the game. When a horse whos a straight front runner has trouble like WP had thats whats giong to happen. Its absolutely disgusting that they didnt reset that horses head before they spring the gate

ArlJim78 03-15-2008 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bid
Then you dont understand the game. When a horse whos a straight front runner has trouble like WP had thats whats giong to happen. Its absolutely disgusting that they didnt reset that horses head before they spring the gate

you can't be serious.

trifecta124 03-15-2008 05:09 PM

Ok I don't understand the game.....Are you kidding. I have been listening to how this horse is the next secretariat for months now. He is a good horse and he had no excuses against a field as weak as this.

justindew 03-15-2008 05:09 PM

Toss the race.

ALostTexan 03-15-2008 05:10 PM

I think Big Truck has done enough...

ateamstupid 03-15-2008 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by justindew
Toss the race.

Toss nothing unless there was an injury. The start wasn't ideal, but he was nowhere when the running started.

jcs11204 03-15-2008 05:12 PM

i cant breath... i was alive in the pick 6 to him and all in the last... me and a buddy split it , singled him, doa, and the horse in the turf sprint, the 10 horse... i wont lie, i was already counting my money. thought he could not lose

kentuckyrosesinmay 03-15-2008 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Toss nothing unless there was an injury. The start wasn't ideal, but he was nowhere when the running started.

Agreed.

jcs11204 03-15-2008 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ALostTexan
I think Big Truck has done enough...

is that not getting old ? it seems like every post someone says that about some horse... its not only old but its corny, and a waste of a post.

The Bid 03-15-2008 05:13 PM

Watch the race Trifecta. If you do not think a confirmed front runner missing a break makes a difference then I would question how much you know.

SentToStud 03-15-2008 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bid
Then you dont understand the game. When a horse whos a straight front runner has trouble like WP had thats whats giong to happen. Its absolutely disgusting that they didnt reset that horses head before they spring the gate

Why then didn't he just bull rush his way between the other two going into the turn? I can see the excuse for a speedball like him losing after the start but he didn't seem to show much at all in the face of adversity. Should have gone up on his own.

kentuckyrosesinmay 03-15-2008 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bid
Watch the race Trifecta. If you do not think a confirmed front runner missing a break makes a difference then I would question how much you know.

It makes a big difference, but a lot around here were making War Pass out to be a lot better horse than he actually is...

This horse needs everything to go his own way to win, and some of his previous performances were suspect because of track conditions and a lack of a challenge early.

The Bid 03-15-2008 05:17 PM

The horse has never been in that position before. Im surprised he didnt spit it quicker than he did. All a learning experience.

Alot better than he is? Until today hes an undefeated champion whos never had a horse with in a length and a half of him at any point in time, in any race.

Everything go his way? He needs the gate to open and have his head set. He just needs a fair chance like any horse needs. Hes the most talented horse in the country and its just insane that they dont do a better job in the gate for a race like that.

ArlJim78 03-15-2008 05:20 PM

if he can't handle that minor bump, or make any kind of a rally from third, then he's toast as far as the derby is considered.

trifecta124 03-15-2008 05:21 PM

In a 20 horse field he better be sure he gets to the lead.

The Bid 03-15-2008 05:22 PM

I have reservations about him getting a mile and a quarter Jim, that being said he will take all the beating at CHD come Derby day. If he breaks clean hes either gonna give it up late, or gallop like he usually does.

That wasnt a minor bump, thats a major unsettled break, and being pinched back and rushed

declansharbor 03-15-2008 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SentToStud
Why then didn't he just bull rush his way between the other two going into the turn? I can see the excuse for a speedball like him losing after the start but he didn't seem to show much at all in the face of adversity. Should have gone up on his own.

You are right S2S. "Great" horses would have overcome something like that. If he was as good as advertised, he would have split the pacesetters entering the turn and would have dictated the pace. Unless Zito gave instructions to rate WP, to see if he could effectively stalk, there is no other excuse. WP, whose pedigree suggests the classic distances may be out of reach, faced adversity today and succumbed to it.

hoovesupsideyourhead 03-15-2008 05:23 PM

the joke will be on all da hatas..when he rolls in the kd.......

justindew 03-15-2008 05:25 PM

Again, toss the race.

SentToStud 03-15-2008 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bid
The horse has never been in that position before. Im surprised he didnt spit it quicker than he did. All a learning experience.

Alot better than he is? Until today hes an undefeated champion whos never had a horse with in a length and a half of him at any point in time, in any race.

Everything go his way? He needs the gate to open and have his head set. He just needs a fair chance like any horse needs. Hes the most talented horse in the country and its just insane that they dont do a better job in the gate for a race like that.

Yeah, all that, ok. But why didn't he go on as they were going into the first turn? Maybe the jock yanked him out of there but again, the loss is explained but why didn't he at least run through the first 1/4?

Maybe they planned toexperiment today anyway but I think he spit the bit with 1 Mile to run when he didn't push through those two on either side.

trifecta124 03-15-2008 05:27 PM

If you hate him, this race gives you a reason not to bet him.

If you love him, you can toss the race.

declansharbor 03-15-2008 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
the joke will be on all da hatas..when he rolls in the kd.......

Hooves, what would you chalk the showing that he put up today as?? Why was he walking around the last turn?

I hold your opinion in high regards with the horses. How can a horse that NEEDS the lead, get an ideal setup in a 20 horse race, and overcome all adversity tied into such a race??

hoovesupsideyourhead 03-15-2008 05:29 PM

heavy lies the crown..lol

The Bid 03-15-2008 05:29 PM

Declan, if a confirmed front runner whos never been behind a horse in his life misses the break what do you think the plan is? You know you have a horse going to the Derby, would you A) Rush him up and bottom him out trying to win B) Put him between horses and let him get some education C) Just make sure he gets home safe and live to fight another day.

It has nothing to do with how good he is. He lays over that bunch anytime he breaks clean.

SentToStud 03-15-2008 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trifecta124
If you hate him, this race gives you a reason not to bet him.

If you love him, you can toss the race.

You are exactly correct.

I neither love or hate. He's a nice horse still but they all get beat.

ddthetide 03-15-2008 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArlJim78
if he can't handle that minor bump, or make any kind of a rally from third, then he's toast as far as the derby is considered.

i'm with you. he showed NO guts today at all. he'll never stand up to the bump and grind in a 20 horse field.

kentuckyrosesinmay 03-15-2008 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bid
The horse has never been in that position before. Im surprised he didnt spit it quicker than he did. All a learning experience.

Alot better than he is? Until today hes an undefeated champion whos never had a horse with in a length and a half of him at any point in time, in any race.

Everything go his way? He needs the gate to open and have his head set. He just needs a fair chance like any horse needs. Hes the most talented horse in the country and its just insane that they dont do a better job in the gate for a race like that.

I never thought that he was the most talented horse in the country. I certainly did think that he was better than what he showed today though.


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