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31lengths 03-10-2008 07:09 PM

Tampa Bay Derby
 
Does anyone plan on attending the Tampa Bay Derby this Saturday?

3kings 03-10-2008 07:12 PM

I'm considering it.... Will be in Venice from 3/14-3/24. Would like to meet up with the Tampa group for a day at the track. Would Derby day be best or is there another day everyone will be there?

Tom

31lengths 03-10-2008 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 3kings
I'm considering it.... Will be in Venice from 3/14-3/24. Would like to meet up with the Tampa group for a day at the track. Would Derby day be best or is there another day everyone will be there?

Tom

Tom

I'll be there on TB Derby day and probably one or two more days in March.
Not sure who else is attending during that time.

Leo

blackthroatedwind 03-10-2008 07:21 PM

Apparently very few horses will be attending as only two are slated to face War Pass as of now.

31lengths 03-10-2008 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Apparently very few horses will be attending as only two are slated to face War Pass as of now.


I was afraid of this....

rgustafson 03-10-2008 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Apparently very few horses will be attending as only two are slated to face War Pass as of now.

That's ok, War Pass will run a huge Beyer and Andy will continue to compare him to Seattle Slew.:D

blackthroatedwind 03-10-2008 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by rgustafson
That's ok, War Pass will run a huge Beyer and Andy will continue to compare him to Seattle Slew.:D

Seattle Slew didn't run huge numbers as a 3YO.

freddymo 03-10-2008 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by rgustafson
That's ok, War Pass will run a huge Beyer and Andy will continue to compare him to Seattle Slew.:D


Seattle Slew, the legend, was not as such until after the TC... There have been plenty of hyped fast 2 and 3 year olds that were to be the next SLEW..Unforunately since any such potentially great 3 year rarely runs at four it's kind of unlikely any colt will ever be given the chance to be the next Slew WPass included.. Remember in this business your paid not to play ball.

The Indomitable DrugS 03-10-2008 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by rgustafson
That's ok, War Pass will run a huge Beyer and Andy will continue to compare him to Seattle Slew.:D

At least he's not comparing him to Silence Suzuka.

The Indomitable DrugS 03-10-2008 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Apparently very few horses will be attending as only two are slated to face War Pass as of now.

After running 0.69 seconds faster than Halo Hollie last out, who can blame them for ducking the champ?

Cannon Shell 03-10-2008 08:50 PM

I will be there

ateamstupid 03-10-2008 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Apparently very few horses will be attending as only two are slated to face War Pass as of now.

Cool with me. The more he keeps racking up huge figures against nobody, the more money there'll him in Louisville.

blackthroatedwind 03-10-2008 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Cool with me. The more he keeps racking up huge figures against nobody, the more money there'll him in Louisville.


I'm sure you'll clean up on the Derby. Make sure to bring a big duffel bag for all the cash you'll be carrying out.

The Indomitable DrugS 03-10-2008 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Cool with me. The more he keeps racking up huge figures against nobody, the more money there'll him in Louisville.

His figure last out wasn't huge...

And in his other wins - he obviously was beating someone ('sup Pyro)

I'm going to be skeptical of War Pass' Derby chances until I see him let another horse take the lead, with him switching off and relaxing nicely from a stalking position and powering home late.

A horse as accomplished as War Pass will not get an unpressured early lead in a race like the Derby....unless he goes with the Silence Suzuka approach of trying to sprint for an entire 10 furlongs.

AeWingnut 03-10-2008 10:05 PM

War Pass is impressive - I don't see anyone catcing him. If they turn Churchill Downs into a conveyor belt (ala War Emblem) forget about it. I have to wonder why they aren't going to the Florida Derby

is the timing of the race all that matters. Street Sense setting a trend?

Travis Stone 03-10-2008 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by AeWingnut
If they turn Churchill Downs into a conveyor belt (ala War Emblem) forget about it.

War Emblem's win was more a product of easy pace scenario than track bias.

jcs11204 03-11-2008 12:14 AM

tagg has the derby winner this year... take it to the bank

Indian Charlie 03-11-2008 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
tagg has the derby winner this year... take it to the bank

who's he sending to the tampa derby?

letswastemoney 03-11-2008 01:30 AM

Put Autism Awareness against War Pass. Let's see what he's really made of!! :)

jcs11204 03-11-2008 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
who's he sending to the tampa derby?

i am sorry.... the kentucky derby winner is what i was saying...

tampa bay derby... there is no reasson why was pass wont cruise

horseofcourse 03-11-2008 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
who's he sending to the tampa derby?


large truck??

cakes44 03-11-2008 07:33 AM

I know it's early, but there aren't a whole lot of pure speed horses that are candidates for the Derby, if any. I wonder if Asmussen is working on getting a rabbit some earnings.

Linny 03-11-2008 07:44 AM

At this point you can say he hasn't beaten anything but my question then is who HASN'T he beaten?

lemoncrush 03-11-2008 08:07 AM

I'd be shocked if this was a 3-horse field.
War Pass probably cannot be beaten racing against straight 3-yos going 1-1/16, but someone must be willing to take a shot at finishing 2nd and getting those graded earnings.

Bigsmc 03-11-2008 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by lemoncrush
I'd be shocked if this was a 3-horse field.
War Pass probably cannot be beaten racing against straight 3-yos going 1-1/16, but someone must be willing to take a shot at finishing 2nd and getting those graded earnings.

If nothing else, some locals will enter for a chance to pick up a check.

ateamstupid 03-11-2008 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I'm sure you'll clean up on the Derby. Make sure to bring a big duffel bag for all the cash you'll be carrying out.

Hey, if you want War Pass at 3/2, you can have him.

blackthroatedwind 03-11-2008 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Hey, if you want War Pass at 3/2, you can have him.


Missed the point as usual Joey.

ateamstupid 03-11-2008 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Missed the point as usual Joey.

Of course.

You're on here enough, why don't you just say what you mean for simple-minded folk like me?

blackthroatedwind 03-11-2008 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Of course.

You're on here enough, why don't you just say what you mean for simple-minded folk like me?

You're such a victim.

I did say what I meant.

ateamstupid 03-11-2008 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
You're such a victim.

I did say what I meant.

Well, there are two options. Either respond with an equally condescending cryptic remark, or throw up my hands and play the straight man to your comedy act. The latter takes less effort.

blackthroatedwind 03-11-2008 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Well, there are two options. Either respond with an equally condescending cryptic remark, or throw up my hands and play the straight man to your comedy act. The latter takes less effort.


I love this new victim side I have seen from you recently. I didn't know that was playing well in Brooklyn these days.

I'll make it easy for you.....I don't think you will make money in this year's Derby, whether or not War Pass is 3:2......and whether or not he wins. You make silly comments like you " hope he keeps racking up big figures against nobody " as though there is any truth in that. He dominated Pyro twice last year, and last I checked Pyro is the current KY Derby favorite. If someone wants to say that he was helped by the mud in the BC, I can see the argument there, though I would personally only partially agree. But, in the Champagne he outran a field of fast horses, set a strong pace, and beat Pyro fair and square. Thus, the bottom line is that he earned the big figures he ran, and if you think he did it against " nobody " then I guess Pyro is a nobody as well.

It is two months before the KY Derby. A lot can, and will, happen before the race, and one of those things may be that War Pass shows he will have trouble with the distance and/or that he isn't as good a horse as he showed last year. However, right now, War Pass is the horse to beat and Pyro is the second most accomplished. Someone can say they think this will change, and they may end up being proven correct, but as of now that is the logically defendable situation.

kentuckyrosesinmay 03-11-2008 12:57 PM

War Pass will get an easy lead as usual, and will annihilate this little field. It will be good.

Coach Pants 03-11-2008 12:58 PM

jesuseffingchristalmighty

ateamstupid 03-11-2008 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I love this new victim side I have seen from you recently. I didn't know that was playing well in Brooklyn these days.

I'll make it easy for you.....I don't think you will make money in this year's Derby, whether or not War Pass is 3:2......and whether or not he wins. You make silly comments like you " hope he keeps racking up big figures against nobody " as though there is any truth in that. He dominated Pyro twice last year, and last I checked Pyro is the current KY Derby favorite. If someone wants to say that he was helped by the mud in the BC, I can see the argument there, though I would personally only partially agree. But, in the Champagne he outran a field of fast horses, set a strong pace, and beat Pyro fair and square. Thus, the bottom line is that he earned the big figures he ran, and if you think he did it against " nobody " then I guess Pyro is a nobody as well.

It is two months before the KY Derby. A lot can, and will, happen before the race, and one of those things may be that War Pass shows he will have trouble with the distance and/or that he isn't as good a horse as he showed last year. However, right now, War Pass is the horse to beat and Pyro is the second most accomplished. Someone can say they think this will change, and they may end up being proven correct, but as of now that is the logically defendable situation.

The funny thing is that I find myself agreeing with you more often than not when you actually make an argument instead of cryptic hit-and-run comments.

I'm still not sure why you think that I won't make money on the Derby, and I do think that War Pass will max out at nine furlongs and burn a lot of money in Louisville, but I take no issue with anything you said in your third paragraph.

blackthroatedwind 03-11-2008 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
The funny thing is that I find myself agreeing with you more often than not when you actually make an argument instead of cryptic hit-and-run comments.

I'm still not sure why you think that I won't make money on the Derby, and I do think that War Pass will max out at nine furlongs and burn a lot of money in Louisville, but I take no issue with anything you said in your third paragraph.


Maybe because even if I pitch a 3:2 shot in a 20 horse field I will probably lose.

I was really just teasing you.

blackthroatedwind 03-11-2008 02:30 PM

By the way, I don't hit and run.

I hit.....but I don't run.

Cajungator26 03-11-2008 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
By the way, I don't hit and run.

I hit.....but I don't run.

That happens when someone hits you back and you're left on the ground with no way to run. :D























































I must now go and hide.

easy goer 03-11-2008 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
... If someone wants to say that he was helped by the mud in the BC, I can see the argument there, though I would personally only partially agree.

A less cryptic remark might be to either Agree or Disagree. How do you partially agree, exactly?

Danzig 03-11-2008 08:35 PM

maybe he meant that war pass would have won anyway, altho maybe by a smaller margin?

war pass is a good horse, the only question is if he can carry his speed 10f. no way of knowing that til he tries.

Cajungator26 03-11-2008 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
maybe he meant that war pass would have won anyway, altho maybe by a smaller margin?

war pass is a good horse, the only question is if he can carry his speed 10f. no way of knowing that til he tries.

Agree with you, Deb.


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