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jpops757 03-02-2008 01:26 PM

Hey Byrn
 
Is this a colt that needs to stay in his conditions or is he ready to make a run at the top 3yr olds? The way he has looked in his condition is awsome. Will the quality and sretch-out make him look more ordinary? Very rare for a owner and trainer letting a colt show his quality before jumping into the fire.

jcs11204 03-02-2008 01:34 PM

i dont think it matters, he has defeated no one, and i doubt he will go on to be anything

blackthroatedwind 03-02-2008 01:34 PM

Sounds right DaHoss. Though, Godolphin still has time to buy him and ship him to Dubai.

jcs11204 03-02-2008 01:36 PM

i overhyped him, i thought he was a nice horse after his last, i guess not

blackthroatedwind 03-02-2008 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
i overhyped him, i thought he was a nice horse after his last, i guess not


Beats CAPS LOCK I guess.

ArlJim78 03-02-2008 01:38 PM

with pg and kyrim back, it finally feels like the derby trail is officially open for 2008.

Indian Charlie 03-02-2008 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
with pg and kyrim back, it finally feels like the derby trail is officially open for 2008.

i can feel my brain shrinking already.

jpops757 03-02-2008 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Anyone want to try and guess who his trainer will be for his next race, because I doubt it's going to be Ed Plesa. I'll go with Pletcher or Asmussen.

Is he this years Curlin and what is the starting bid?

cmorioles 03-02-2008 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Tough to say for sure. He might be okay, as he has been as impressive in Florida as anyone this year.

He certainly looked good today. I wonder if he can tackle that extra furlong...err...643 feet?

Kasept 03-02-2008 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Tough to say for sure. He might be okay, as he has been as impressive in Florida as anyone this year.

Jay,

Interesting colt.. $30k as a yearling (Put It Back's average was $23k off the $5k fee), and then $160,000 six months later at the March OBS last year.. Plesa gave him four months off after that summer campaign (shins?), and here he is a different horse. VERY similar development curve to Smooth Air, though Smooth Air looks to be best suited one turning.

Had run a (neg) -1 on TG to correspond to the 97 Beyer, and will be anxious to see where this comes back. Will absolutely have the vultures circling... But Mrs. Oxenberg may not be of a mind to sell.




(You can just imagine who's feverishly dialing the phones as we speak in fact!)


:rolleyes:

JJP 03-02-2008 07:08 PM

The horses he beat in the NW1X earlier in the meet were probably better than what Pyro beat up on in the Risen Star. I'm not knocking Pyro; just those who mistakenly think Hey Byrn isn't a legit Derby contender, at this point.

Interesting how Hey Byrn was 3-5 in the betting around 12 minutes to post, right where he figured to be......then amazingly came up to 2-1! You just don't see that often were a horse who looks like they will destroy a field will go up from a legit 3-5 to 2-1.

blackthroatedwind 03-02-2008 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JJP
The horses he beat in the NW1X earlier in the meet were probably better than what Pyro beat up on in the Risen Star. I'm not knocking Pyro; just those who mistakenly think Hey Byrn isn't a legit Derby contender, at this point.

Interesting how Hey Byrn was 3-5 in the betting around 12 minutes to post, right where he figured to be......then amazingly came up to 2-1! You just don't see that often were a horse who looks like they will destroy a field will go up from a legit 3-5 to 2-1.


Not sure how the first part of your post is true, but whatever, however it was Alaazo that was 3:5 early and drifted to 9:5. Hey Byrn wasn't lower than 2:1 and drifted down to get there.

JJP 03-02-2008 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Not sure how the first part of your post is true, but whatever, however it was Alaazo that was 3:5 early and drifted to 9:5. Hey Byrn wasn't lower than 2:1 and drifted down to get there.

Are you sure about that? I swear Brisnet had the 3 (Hey Byrn) at 3-5. Either that or my vision is really going (very possible).

SentToStud 03-02-2008 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Not sure how the first part of your post is true, but whatever, however it was Alaazo that was 3:5 early and drifted to 9:5. Hey Byrn wasn't lower than 2:1 and drifted down to get there.

That was early Facebook action on Alaazo, I assume. I saw Hey Bryn pretty close up today. Hard to believe he's the one.

JJP 03-02-2008 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud
That was early Facebook action on Alaazo, I assume. I saw Hey Bryn pretty close up today. Hard to believe he's the one.

As for the Risen Star field comparison, I don't think Z Fortune would've been on the board in this GP race today.

So what is wrong with how Hey Byrn looked? Performance on the track is the only thing that counts.

jpops757 03-02-2008 07:26 PM

Regardless of anyones opinion, he has earned his way to "THE DERBY TRAIL".

SentToStud 03-02-2008 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jpops757
Regardless of anyones opinion, he has earned his way to "THE DERBY TRAIL".

That's very true. If all's well, he's at least one of the favorites for the Florida Derby.

Personally, I have a lot of horses to root for as I made a field bet in pool 1.

I'd love to see Plesa have a Derby runner. Hopefully he keeps the colt but who knows.

To me, it's still very early. And to me the Risen Star was oddly run. Can't knock the winner but that race doesn't often turn out especially important.

NTamm1215 03-02-2008 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JJP
As for the Risen Star field comparison, I don't think Z Fortune would've been on the board in this GP race today.

So what is wrong with how Hey Byrn looked? Performance on the track is the only thing that counts.

I can't imagine who you found to be so tough in that allowance race to consider it better than the Risen Star also-rans. Sleuse? Bordeaux Bandit? Alaazo?

Don't get me wrong, Hey Byrn ran a nice race and looked good doing it but count me among those who wants me to see him beat a horse not named Bordeaux Bandit.

The Risen Star field might not have been great but it is not even comparable to that allowance field today. Hell, Blackberry Road and/or Visionaire would have been heavily bet in Gulfstream's 3rd today and Z Fortune would have probably been 3-5.

NT

Travis Stone 03-02-2008 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JJP
As for the Risen Star field comparison, I don't think Z Fortune would've been on the board in this GP race today.

Why is everyone so hellbent on bashing the Risen Star?

cmorioles 03-02-2008 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone
Why is everyone so hellbent on bashing the Risen Star?

Mostly because it was run like a tractor pull.

Monarchos1 03-02-2008 09:54 PM

Hey Byrn is named for the owner's late hubby and she certainly doesn't need the money. I doubt this one is for sale, though there have been and will be more offers.

Travis Stone 03-02-2008 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles
Mostly because it was run like a tractor pull.

Do you expect horses to run their lifetime fastest race every time they step foot on a track, even if they haven't started in four months?

Travis Stone 03-02-2008 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Monarchos1
I doubt this one is for sale, though there have been and will be more offers.

I put in an offer myself... waiting to hear back.

The Bid 03-02-2008 10:01 PM

The race was pretty slow. The majority of that field wanted no part of that distance. Im not real excited about anything in there

cmorioles 03-02-2008 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone
Do you expect horses to run their lifetime fastest race every time they step foot on a track, even if they haven't started in four months?

I wasn't passing judgment on the horses, just saying that is what most people think. The race was, however, run with an ABSURDLY slow pace and it would be hard for me to get overly excited about anyone in there save the winner.

Barring injury or something fluky, how is any horse from that race ever going to beat Pyro? They basically ran a quarterhorse race in which Pyro spotted them eight lengths and beat them by open lengths.

jpops757 03-03-2008 12:34 AM

Im not trying to bad mouth any of the preps but I dont think the derby winner has lost a race this year, with the only possible exception The bad cat.

Pedigree Ann 03-03-2008 02:53 AM

Are you seriously considering this horse could be a factor in the Derby? Sireside is sprinter/miler - Put it Back, Honour and Glory, Exuberant. Damsire Skip Trial could stay, but the female family is sprinter/miler oriented as well. Staying bloodlines often produce sprinters due to regression to the mean, but sprinting bloodlines very rarely produce stayers.

NoLuvForPletch 03-03-2008 07:30 AM

As I said 3 weeks ago, when I initially brought this colt up, it is hard to imagine a world where Put It Back's get a mile and a quarter, but I guess anything can happen.

What I am most impressed with is in a day and age where a race like this guy ran on Feb 10 would knock a colt "for a loop" this one comes right back 3 weeks later with another show.

Plesa said after his last race that he didn't think this one would be for sale. I hope she doesn't sell, but I guess we'll see.

SniperSB23 03-03-2008 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann
Are you seriously considering this horse could be a factor in the Derby? Sireside is sprinter/miler - Put it Back, Honour and Glory, Exuberant. Damsire Skip Trial could stay, but the female family is sprinter/miler oriented as well. Staying bloodlines often produce sprinters due to regression to the mean, but sprinting bloodlines very rarely produce stayers.

He's running 9 furlongs already, you can throw pedigree out the window.

blackthroatedwind 03-03-2008 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
He's running 9 furlongs already, you can throw pedigree out the window.


That post was enough to make me root for him.

sumitas 03-03-2008 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann
Are you seriously considering this horse could be a factor in the Derby? Sireside is sprinter/miler - Put it Back, Honour and Glory, Exuberant. Damsire Skip Trial could stay, but the female family is sprinter/miler oriented as well. Staying bloodlines often produce sprinters due to regression to the mean, but sprinting bloodlines very rarely produce stayers.

His 2nd dam Stormy Divorce (Storm Bird - sire of Storm Cat) did produce False Promises who won the G3 Hawthorne Derby @ 9F. There is a lot of speed in the family but the conduit mare profile shows more of a speed/stamina balance.

Agreed, one does not get a warm fuzzy stamina feeling from his pedigree. But he is a 5 gen outcross with a 3.00 DI so we'll have to watch him on the track.

The Indomitable DrugS 03-03-2008 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Monarchos1
Hey Byrn is named for the owner's late hubby

I think the name "Don't Touch Me There" was under strong consideration ... but she ultimately decided to go with Hey Byrn instead for her #69th ranked son of Put It Back out of Restraining Order.

NoLuvForPletch 05-07-2008 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
I think the name "Don't Touch Me There" was under strong consideration ... but she ultimately decided to go with Hey Byrn instead for her #69th ranked son of Put It Back out of Restraining Order.

So the #4 ranked son of Put it Back out of Restraining Order worked a Mile at Calder on Monday. Anyone have a clue as to where this animal is being pointed?


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