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Kasept 06-04-2007 10:02 PM

139th BELMONT: Prospective Field
 
139th Belmont Stakes

1. Imawildandcrazyguy (Guidry/Kaplan) 20-1
2. Tiago (Smith/Shirreffs) 10-1
3. Curlin (Albarado/Asmussen) 6-5
4. C P West (Prado/Zito) 12-1
5. Slew's Tizzy (Bejarano/Fox) 20-1
6. Hard Spun (Gomez/Jones) 5-2
7. Rags to Riches (J. Velasquez/Pletcher) 3-1

paisjpq 06-04-2007 10:03 PM

go to bed.

Scav 06-04-2007 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq
go to bed.

hahaha

I am actually up right now reading about Soprano spoilers..

I just can't believe he is going to run CQ here, he looks like a great BC Sprint/Mile candidate

IrishofNDMan 06-04-2007 10:07 PM

I would def. give WildandCrazyGuy a big chance in the Belmont.

IrishofNDMan 06-04-2007 10:08 PM

and Tiago as well, but I think a lot of people will be on him.

letswastemoney 06-04-2007 10:09 PM

Cupcake Melee FTW!!! :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:

fpsoxfan 06-05-2007 07:21 AM

Well, its not the Kentucky Derby, but it will still be interesting to watch. Once again, I just hope the undercard comes up juicy.

pmayjr 06-05-2007 07:29 AM

I thought Great Hunter was running too? When did plans change on that?

pmayjr 06-05-2007 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by fpsoxfan
Well, its not the Kentucky Derby, but it will still be interesting to watch. Once again, I just hope the undercard comes up juicy.

Agreed. I think it was the Smarty Belmont... that undercard was one of the sickest ever!

miraja2 06-05-2007 08:06 AM

Belmont Past Performances: http://www.drf.com/tc/belmont/2007/p...contenders.pdf

hockey2315 06-05-2007 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pmayjr
I thought Great Hunter was running too? When did plans change on that?

Like the day after they announced he was going. . .

robfla 06-05-2007 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pmayjr
I thought Great Hunter was running too? When did plans change on that?


http://www.ntra.com/content.aspx?type=news&id=25649


Paul Reddam's Great Hunter, who finished 13th in the Kentucky Derby will miss the June 9 Belmont Stakes (gr. I) after suffering a chipped ankle in his right front leg, trainer Doug O'Neill said Saturday.

“He'll be out of commission for a few months,” O'Neill said of the son of Aptitude, who was scheduled to ship to New York for the third leg of the Triple Crown after turning in a strong five-furlong work in 1:00 4/5 over the Cushion track at Hollywood Park on Thursday.

smuthg 06-05-2007 11:15 AM

Why no Any Given Sat or NoBiz?

Derby73 06-05-2007 11:15 AM

miraja2...Thanks!

SniperSB23 06-05-2007 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by smuthg
Why no Any Given Sat or NoBiz?

Any Given Saturday can't get 10 furlongs, how is he going to get 12? Nobiz is going to the Dwyer instead.

tycharles01 06-05-2007 03:00 PM

Bejarano gets the mount of Slews Tizzy


But bigger thing

Did the French Connection take Time Squared out??? Dont see him on anyone's probable list anymore

Rileyoriley 06-05-2007 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by tycharles01
Bejarano gets the mount of Slews Tizzy


But bigger thing

Did the French Connection take Time Squared out??? Dont see him on anyone's probable list anymore

He did when Pletcher put the filly in. i read it on either the BH or DRF website.

pmayjr 06-06-2007 07:11 AM

Did Matz ever give much consideration for pointing Chelokee towards the Belmont? Sorry once again if there was a big news article about Chelokee's status and I missed it.

SniperSB23 06-06-2007 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by pmayjr
Did Matz ever give much consideration for pointing Chelokee towards the Belmont? Sorry once again if there was a big news article about Chelokee's status and I missed it.

While it wouldn't have been the worst placement to go in the Belmont I think Matz just knows the horse isn't quite that fast to compete with the big boys (or girl). If he takes the High Cotton route he can build up a nice resume while running in spots he can win.

NTamm1215 06-06-2007 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
While it wouldn't have been the worst placement to go in the Belmont I think Matz just knows the horse isn't quite that fast to compete with the big boys (or girl). If he takes the High Cotton route he can build up a nice resume while running in spots he can win.

I think Matz is perfectly happy to try to pick off some late-season races that will help breeding value. Remember that Chelokee's owner, Centennial Farms, also owns Vitruvius, a swift allowance winner at Aqueduct who was scratched from the Peter Pan. Matz probably knows that Chelokee COULD be able to develop into a Travers horse with the right progression.

It could be a great summer for Centennial Farms between Chelokee, Vitruvius, and Corinthian.

NT

SniperSB23 06-06-2007 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
I think Matz is perfectly happy to try to pick off some late-season races that will help breeding value. Remember that Chelokee's owner, Centennial Farms, also owns Vitruvius, a swift allowance winner at Aqueduct who was scratched from the Peter Pan. Matz probably knows that Chelokee COULD be able to develop into a Travers horse with the right progression.

It could be a great summer for Centennial Farms between Chelokee, Vitruvius, and Corinthian.

NT

There are talks of running Corinthian five more times if he stays healthy which isn't very common these days with well bred G1 winners. I like Vitruvius a lot as well. Not so high on Chelokee. I think they are doing the right thing by putting him in the easy spots.

blackthroatedwind 06-06-2007 09:36 AM

Does anyone know why Vitruvias was scatched from the Peter Pan?

These things have a way of becoming " we're hoping to have him ready for the Donn."

Chelokee has a mild case of the " slows "....no?

SniperSB23 06-06-2007 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Does anyone know why Vitruvias was scatched from the Peter Pan?

These things have a way of becoming " we're hoping to have him ready for the Donn."

Chelokee has a mild case of the " slows "....no?

Skin infection for Vitruvius, had to go on antibiotics. Same problem Corinthian had last summer when he came back in the allowance at Saratoga.

Unstable 06-06-2007 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
Curlin
Hard Spun
Tiago
Imawildandcrazyguy
Slew's Tizzy
Times Squared
C P West
Rags to Riches

Hey, where's Digger on this list? Or, maybe he's entered in the race before the Belmont Stakes to get a head-start on the rest of them?

blackthroatedwind 06-06-2007 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Skin infection for Vitruvius, had to go on antibiotics. Same problem Corinthian had last summer when he came back in the allowance at Saratoga.


Doesn't a skin infection mean ringworm?

NTamm1215 06-06-2007 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
There are talks of running Corinthian five more times if he stays healthy which isn't very common these days with well bred G1 winners. I like Vitruvius a lot as well. Not so high on Chelokee. I think they are doing the right thing by putting him in the easy spots.

I think Chelokee being in Matz's care is certainly a good thing because he has never been known as one to hurry horses along or frivolously put them in a spot where they don't belong. He is certainly not as fast as the best of his crop, but down the road that could be a different story. I think he garnered so much attention because of the tough trip allowance win (that was not terribly quick) and what people really mis-construed as a tough trip in the Fla Derby. That trip wasn't easy, but he could have finished with a bit more gusto.

NT

SniperSB23 06-06-2007 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Doesn't a skin infection mean ringworm?

No clue, I can usually tell which end of the horse is which but that is about it.

philcski 06-06-2007 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Doesn't a skin infection mean ringworm?

That or rainrot, but considering most horses in training stay inside the barn it's almost most certainly ringworm.

It's also possible to get a skin infection from poorly cared for tack, but again, highly unlikely given the level of care for a superior thoroughbred in training.

Buffymommy 06-06-2007 10:50 AM

1 Imawildandcrazyguy Mark Guidry William Kaplan Pell and Eigner 20-1
2 Tiago Mike Smith John Shirreffs Mr. and Mrs. Jerome Moss 10-1
3 Curlin Robby Albarado Steve Asmussen Stonestreet, Padua, and Midnight Cry 6-5
4 C P West Edgar Prado Nick Zito Robert LaPenta 12-1
5 Slew's Tizzy Rafael Bejarano Gregory Fox Joseph Lacombe 20-1
6 Hard Spun Garrett Gomez Larry Jones Fox Hill Farms 5-2
7 Rags to Riches John Velazquez Todd Pletcher Tabor and Smith 3-1


Hee hee. 20-1 looks really nice!

Antitrust32 06-06-2007 11:16 AM

wheres digger?

tiznowthegreat 06-06-2007 11:18 AM

Belmont Field
 
1 Imawildandcrazyguy Guidry Kaplan 20-1
2 Tiago Smith Shirreffs 10-1
3 Curlin Albarado Asmussen 6-5
4 CP West Prado Zito 12-1
5 Slew's Tizzy Bejarano Fox 20-1
6 Hard Spun Gomez Jones 5-2
7 Rags to Riches Velazquez Pletcher 3-1

Storm Cadet 06-06-2007 11:19 AM

Tom Durkin joked at the draw that Digger is out and getting ready for the EPSOM DERBY which got a laugh from all!:)

10 pnt move up 06-06-2007 11:26 AM

Tiago is 10/1 and CP West 12/1? 6/5 on Curlin would be a gift, more like 4/5.

blackthroatedwind 06-06-2007 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
Tiago is 10/1 and CP West 12/1? 6/5 on Curlin would be a gift, more like 4/5.


So, at 6:5 you're sending it in but at 4:5 you're passing....or perhaps betting Tiago or CP West?

10 pnt move up 06-06-2007 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
So, at 6:5 you're sending it in but at 4:5 you're passing....or perhaps betting Tiago or CP West?

at 10/1 I would bet on Tiago with a huge saver to Curlin. I think that exacta has a very high probability.

I think Tiago is more like 6/1 and CP West more like 20/1. Its another bad morning line at belmont.

tycharles01 06-06-2007 11:54 AM

Guess the plumber needs some more time to get DIGGER ready for the big match race against Street Sense in Toga:D

lemoncrush 06-06-2007 11:57 AM

5-2 for Hard Spun?
I'd be surprised if he went off at anything lower than 4-1.

blackthroatedwind 06-06-2007 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
at 10/1 I would bet on Tiago with a huge saver to Curlin. I think that exacta has a very high probability.

I think Tiago is more like 6/1 and CP West more like 20/1. Its another bad morning line at belmont.


No chance there is that kind of disparity in actual odds.

Don't get me wrong, I think Tiago is a lot likelier to win than CP West, but he will not be less than a third CP West's price.

philcski 06-06-2007 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
at 10/1 I would bet on Tiago with a huge saver to Curlin. I think that exacta has a very high probability.

I think Tiago is more like 6/1 and CP West more like 20/1. Its another bad morning line at belmont.

I think you're looking at 8/1 at Tiago and 14/1 on CP West.

knickslions2 06-06-2007 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by fpsoxfan
Well, its not the Kentucky Derby, but it will still be interesting to watch. Once again, I just hope the undercard comes up juicy.


Looks like some good races

A half hour before the Belmont Stakes, some of the world’s best turf horses will battle 10 furlongs in the 106th running of the Grade 1, $400,000 Manhattan Handicap. The favorite will be the Todd Pletcher-trained English Channel, who finished a narrow fourth in last year’s Manhattan. English Channel is likely to meet Better Talk Now, the Breeders’ Cup Turf winner in 2004, Cosmonaut, Grand Couturier, Interpatation, Kiss the Kid, Mustanfar and Steppenwolfer.

English Channel, who won the prestigious Grade 1 Joe Hirsch Turf Classic at Belmont last fall, breezed five furlongs over Belmont’s Inner Turf in 1:02.67 Sunday morning. The Manhattan will be English Channel’s first race since finishing 12th in the March 31st Dubai Duty Free at Nad Al Sheba. Overall, English Channel has won 10 of 18 starts and more than $2.7 million.

“I thought English Channel worked very well,” Pletcher said. “He acts and trains as well as he ever has.”

Pointing towards the 77th Grade 1, $250,000 Acorn for three-year-old fillies at one mile are Christmas Kid and Octave – the 1-2 finishers in Keeneland’s Ashland – Boca Grande, Cotton Blossom, Dream Rush and possibly Mistical Plan and Princess Janie.

Wait a While, three-year-old filly champion of 2006, makes her first start of the season in New York in the 14th running of the Grade 2, $300,000 Just a Game Handicap at one mile on the turf. She’ll face Karen’s Caper, Mauralakana, Meribel, My Typhoon and Take the Ribbon.

Wait a While stretched her legs over Belmont’s Inner Turf Sunday morning, working a half mile in :51.10, breezing.

“I thought Wait a While worked well,” Pletcher said. “We just try to keep her happy. She appreciates a (firm) turf course, so we’re hoping it rains early in the week and dries out by Belmont Day.”

Some of the nation’s top three-year-old sprinters will meet in the 23rd running of the Grade 2, $250,000 Woody Stephens at seven furlongs. Fans will find an outstanding and contentious field featuring Bustin Stones, Deadly Dealer, Hobbitontherocks, Not for Money, Sports Town, Teuflesberg and possibly Stormello, Adore the Gold, Bill Place and Xchanger.

Those feeling the need for speed will love the 29th running of the Grade 2, $200,000 True North Handicap at six furlongs. The freakishly fast Bordonaro is expected to meet Council Member, Joey P., Sir Five Star and Will He Shine. The Pletcher-trained Keyed Entry is possible.


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