Jamie Sanders
 

Does this woman have a problem?Is there something that I am not seeing in the past performances that she is?I do NOT even think this woman can read a condition book.I totally agree with Andy Beyer,in that this woman is on a mission to destroy Teuflesberg.What the F_ck is she thinking?This horse has ZERO graded stakes earnings,has been getting his ass handed to him,and now she is taking him to the Preakness?You have got to be kidding me!!God help the horses under her care.This is almost to the point of abuse.And,she is now doing the same thing with some of her other horses,Little Springer and Cape of Storms.Both were entered last week in the G-3 Kentucky breeders cup,and neither of them showed anything that would make a sensible trainer enter them in that race.I think this is the same way it all started out for Teuflesberg.Does she smoke good weed?Or is she just naturally stupid?Sorry,but if I was Nick Zito,I would be on the phone telling her to stop telling people she used to work for me,because in my opinion all she is doing is embarrassing him by saying that.Is there anything anyone can do to stop this idiot?

I have to agree with you.

It's a hard business and she's had little success so far but I admire her effort. She's been schooled by two of the best and I suspect she knows a little about training. Teuflesberg won the Southwest Stakes, a 250k race and has hit the board in several graded stake races, saying he had zero graded earnings is incorrect, he had over $100,000 or he wouldn't have made the Derby. He lost the Bluegrass by a neck...I don't see why he didn't belong in the Derby field based on his past performances. It's funny...folks always complain about how infrequently horses run then when someone actually runs their horse, they complain about that. If the horse is sound, why not go to a track that historically with tight turns and a shorter distance favors horses with speed? It will be the horse's 6th start of the season...I don't see a problem!

WOW! strong words...but YOUR right! You would think Lukas was her mentor.
It's really too bad, maybe she just wants her "10 minutes of fame".
But, there have been trainers in the past that have done the same thing along the Triple Crown trail...
it doesn't surprise me at all!

-- Lost the Blue Grass by 4 feet. Is that so awful?
-- You're wrong about the graded earnings. Right?
-- She paid $8,000 for the horse and he's earned $400,000+. Is that so bad?

This I agree...the female version of D.Wayne :eek:

The horse was four wide with the pace in the Derby, not surprising that he tired. The horse has hit the board only once in six tries at CD, that an alw win...he may well dislike the surface. Again, I think it's unfair to criticize her at this point...she knows the horse, she trains and owns him. Besides, horses do run poorly in the Derby and rebound in the Preakness...if he's sound, she has every right to run him.

POST DERBY QUOTES:
JAMIE SANDERS (trainer, Teuflesberg, 17th) -- “I’m sure Street Sense was the best horse today, but there’s a lot of horses that come back to win the Preakness. Louis Quatorze (Sanders was his exercise rider) ran 16th in this race (in 1996) and came back to win the Preakness.”

“He (Teuflesberg) looked good and he was sitting up there and they kind of cut him off coming out of the turn and he (jockey Stewart Elliott) had to check him--and that was all.”

STEWART ELLIOTT (jockey, Teuflesberg, 17th) – “We were in a great spot. At the three-eighths pole, I was second, and I thought I had more horse than I had. But that was it.”

I don't know if he dislikes it or not, he was 5/1-0-0 going into the Derby, I just suggested that now that he's 6/1-0-0, it is possible that he didn't like it. I simply see no reason not to try the shorter Preakness if the horse is sound. The poly to dirt thing is pretty confusing, some horses (Street Sense) appear to like the dirt better, some (Dominican) may like poly...coming out of the Blue Grass where the horse ran well...it's possible he didn't like CD.

This horse has been campaigning non-stop since October racing 10 times in seven months on six tracks. He is running against the top of the heap for the most part and against horses that have had breaks. While she has every right to run him where she wants, it doesn't appear that she has any real plan other than finding the next race on the schedule that is about 3-4 weeks out.

The horse has been game in many of these races, but it does seem to me that the well has run dry and he needs a break and or some class relief. There is nothing about his derby performance that would indicate that he will bounce back in two weeks against similar competition.

And using the BlueGrass as evidence that this horse belongs at this level is crazy. You have to know what a pace aberration that race was. All of his other Graded stakes attempts were marginal at best, and often horrible.

It's not just Teuflesberg. Look at her entries this entire past week at Churchill. She had a horse in most every stakes, they were always the longest price on the board, and I don't think that one even hit the board. She had 3 alone in the 2 year old stakes on Thursday.

might be the naseem rauf of stakes racing

Nobody is knocking the horse -- he's done a hell of a job for the price that they paid for him and he's brought home some nice checks.

Imagine what he could be doing if he was put in proper spots? Being life and death in every race to suck in enough air to last for a check is certainly a noble accomplishment, but not a good barometer of what this horse can do. Sanders doesn't get her abysmal percentages in a void -- Teuflesburg is just her highest profile example of a horse getting thrown to the wolves at every turn in hopes of sucking up some purse money. Everyone here has been saying for some time now that this horse would be a formidable match in races in the 6-8 furlong range, but for the time being it doesn't look like he'll get the shot. He's been entered in these spots dating all the way back to the very beginning of his career, and I second the poster who said that at some point Sanders is going to regret her endless campaign because the well is going to dry up one of these days.

Sure, she'll have made a pretty penny on it with his earnings, but she'll have hurt the horse's chances to develop into the type of horse who can possibly legitimately contend in big races at less than a mile.

If it's not out of stupidity or pure brazenness, what is it? It's clear that she's not using the money for anything constructive -- like a dye job better than a $9 pharmacy box or a Wal-Mart pantsuit for Derby Day.

Murray Garren where have you gone!

That's what I'm saying.She did the exact same thing with Teuflesberg,same races I think.She has no idea what she is doing,and her .02 win percentage shows it.She is ruining these fine animals.

This woman is completely clueless. She has no idea how to place her horses. If she "learned" that from Zito, he isn't much of a teacher. I feel sorry for the horse.

Someone needs to let her know there are some big races for 3yo spinters where she could actually cash a check. Since she is paid on what the horse earns.

I can't recall seeing this much agreement over a subject on this forum. Add me to the list too. I started a thread on another forum before the Derby asking the question "Where Did She Get Her License?" This is beyond ridiculous. If she's so intent on running the horse every 3-4 weeks, that's one thing. But have a plan and put him in spots where he has a chance to be competitive. And to use the Blue Grass result as justification that he had a shot in the Derby is completely wrong. We may not be the greatest of handicappers on here but when nine of 10 of us can obviously see something, perhaps we are right. He set extremely slow fractions and STILL couldn't hold on. There was nothing to even remotely indicate that he would do better with a faster pace and another furlong. Elliott says "I thought I had more horse than I had. But that was it." If she won't listen to us, if she won't listen to reason, listen to the man that was on his back. She says the horse talks to her. LISTEN TO THE DAMN HORSE!!!

Another thing that needs to put to rest is this silly stuff about the tighter turns and shorter distance of the Preakness. For one, the layout is not much different than Churchill. I remember a few years ago, the network that was doing the Preakness super-imposed a picture of the Pimlico layout over the Churchill one and it was surprisingly similar. Also, it's only 110 yards shorter. Technically, it's a shorter race. But if u have a horse that can't get the Derby distance, he's 95% unlikely to get the Preakness distance.

Actually, she is part owner of the horse so she isn't exactly "paid".

That's true...wow, we agree finally!

If U are the owner of a horse and he wins $$$$$$$ U get PAID!!! When someone gives u a Check that is called getting paid.

Don't forget that they just sold a piece of the horse to a guy looking to latch onto a ride in the Triple Crown. There may be some pressure to run from that party. Pure speculation.

I am surprised that she isn't going to Pimlico early so that she can run T-berg in a race next weekend.

Reminds me of the Arizona Fair Circuit. There are guys that run their horses every weekend, and then get pissed if they cannot find a race on a weekend. Pretty funny, but thats what you do with $1500 claimers...

ALostTexan

Since she is part-owner of most of the horses in her barn, I don't see her being fired anytime soon.

Churchill backstretch riddle: What do Jamie Sanders and milk have in common? Both come in 2%..

Career so far into Saturday? 226 starters, 10 wins (4 by T-berg..). So without him: 222/6.. Wow..

So...who's the Sugar Daddy??

Sanders is a moron
 

This woman does not have a clue. If any further evidence was needed she provided it in the 2 year old stake run 05/030/2007. She started three horses,all madiens in this stake race. Yes, a madien can win a 2 year old stake in a field comprised of horses with mostly one start. Her horses finished in the last three positions

Thats what I thought, T'Berg is running all the time because he is the meal ticket. He is the one carrying the load and putting her in the limelight.

Somewhere Nauseem Rauf is watching all this and saying to himself "Jesus Christ! If I had stock like that even I could hit 10%!"

Well,she is putting him in the Preakness.I hope this doesn't happen,but I expect this horse to break down very soon.He has got to be tired after all these starts with no rest,and now he is being asked to continue on at even longer distances,against the same horses who have whooped his ass time and again.This is usually when it happens.Even if a horse is tired or hurt,it will try and try and try,even after breaking something,which I hope does not happen, but with the way she is handling this horse,it looks inevitable.I sure wish someone at Churchill would go over and sit this dumbass down and have a little talk with her.

If any of us had Tberg i think we'd have a great shot to win more bucks than she has.

Just don't let her know about the Lone Star Derby, as she might think about it this coming weekend as a prep for the Preakness...

ALostTexan

Both Whirlaway and Citation ran between the Preakness and the Belmont. Whirly won the Belmont in his 27th start and THEN after the TC, with a race in between, he came back on June 21st to win the Dwyer.

Race horses ought to race. That said, I agree that T'berg is in at the wrong class and distance.

Amazing.

Teuflesburg seems like an iron horse but as Linny just said he belongs in different races. I don't think he's as good as some but he certainly deserves a chance to run in races he MIGHT be competitive. What would be so bad about races like the sprint on Preakness day that is restricted to 3YOs, the Woody Stephens, the Amsterdam and the King's Bishop?

It's a shame to see her running him in so many seemingly inappropriate spots.

the trainer is like 2/50 this year, obviously spotting any of her horses to win is not her strong point, she is taking the zito and jerkins philosophy to the extrerme.