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randallscott35 05-05-2007 06:29 PM

I'm Here To Eat My Crow!!
 
Here I am....LOL....Well here's what I think. I think Hard Spun ran the best race contending a demanding 46 half and still finishing and actually gaining at the end.

That being said, Street Sense blew up a number of angles and I'm happy about that. Obviously the Juvy wasn't a fluke and he won his Grade 1 so I was wrong when I made my call back in November. I will continue to stick my neck out based on the numbers I see and the history I see. But congrats to Street Sense and those that backed him. And I will root for him to win the Triple Crown.

Now, to all the people who wanted my sanity checked for liking Sedgefield to hit the board, he missed third by all of 1 length while beating every Pletcher horse and the weak Grade 1 winners of Dominican, Tiago, and NoBiz. So maybe I wasn't crazy after all....And the opening round of drinks for the group at the Spa this summer will be sponsored by Scavs. Did Zanjero finish yet? LOL

Cajungator26 05-05-2007 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
Here I am....LOL....Well here's what I think. I think Hard Spun ran the best race contending a demanding 46 half and still finishing and actually gaining at the end.

That being said, Street Sense blew up a number of angles and I'm happy about that. Obviously the Juvy wasn't a fluke and he won his Grade 1 so I was wrong when I made my call back in November. I will continue to stick my neck out based on the numbers I see and the history I see. But congrats to Street Sense and those that backed him. And I will root for him to win the Triple Crown.

Now, to all the people who wanted my sanity checked for liking Sedgefield to hit the board, he missed third by all of 1 length while beating every Pletcher horse and the weak Grade 1 winners of Dominican, Tiago, and NoBiz. So maybe I wasn't crazy after all....And the opening round of drinks for the group at the Spa this summer will be sponsored by Scavs. Did Zanjero finish yet? LOL

Too damn funny... LMAO :D

ArlJim78 05-05-2007 06:38 PM

You were wrong about Street Sense, but you are right that Hard Spun ran an incredible race.

Sedgefield also ran huge. Also how good was Curlin? Not bad for his fourth start.

Street Sense was the most obvious winner to me, but since this is the CROW thread i should mention that in my quest for big odds I was trying to get Domincan into the trifecta, sadly he didn't get there. No thanks to Great Hunter who leaned on him almost the entire race, and cut him off entering the turn. If that didn't happen he might have had a shot at third.

Also, what about Imawildandcrazyguy. Anyone see where he came from?
Holy smokes, it looks like he passed 17 horses in the stretch.

Cajungator26 05-05-2007 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
You were wrong about Street Sense, but you are right that Hard Spun ran an incredible race.

Sedgefield also ran huge. Also how good was Curlin? Not bad for his fourth start.

Street Sense was the most obvious winner to me, but since this is the CROW thread i should mention that in my quest for big odds I was trying to get Domincan into the trifecta, sadly he didn't get there. No thanks to Great Hunter who leaned on him almost the entire race, and cut him off entering the turn. If that didn't happen he might have had a shot at third.

Also, what about Imawildandcrazyguy. Anyone see where he came from?
Holy smokes, it looks like he passed 17 horses in the stretch.

I think he did... he looked like he was closing like a freight train. :eek:

randallscott35 05-05-2007 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Too damn funny... LMAO :D

Cajun, according to Scavs he "felt bad about making the bet." So I offered to double it. Would've gone to 5 bills on it.....And boy if I was still offshore and they offered Sedge vs. Dominican, I can't tell you what I would've bet.

Cajungator26 05-05-2007 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
Cajun, according to Scavs he "felt bad about making the bet." So I offered to double it. Would've gone to 5 bills on it.....And boy if I was still offshore and they offered Sedge vs. Dominican, I can't tell you what I would've bet.

Glad to see him run well for you, Randall and very glad that I didn't make that bet with you, as I would have lost. I already owe antitrust a 12 pack of beer for Curlin finishing WAY in front of Scat Daddy. :rolleyes:

It appears that the Lane's End was a legit prep.

Downthestretch55 05-05-2007 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
Here I am....LOL....Well here's what I think. I think Hard Spun ran the best race contending a demanding 46 half and still finishing and actually gaining at the end.

That being said, Street Sense blew up a number of angles and I'm happy about that. Obviously the Juvy wasn't a fluke and he won his Grade 1 so I was wrong when I made my call back in November. I will continue to stick my neck out based on the numbers I see and the history I see. But congrats to Street Sense and those that backed him. And I will root for him to win the Triple Crown.

Now, to all the people who wanted my sanity checked for liking Sedgefield to hit the board, he missed third by all of 1 length while beating every Pletcher horse and the weak Grade 1 winners of Dominican, Tiago, and NoBiz. So maybe I wasn't crazy after all....And the opening round of drinks for the group at the Spa this summer will be sponsored by Scavs. Did Zanjero finish yet? LOL

I don't expect a resonse Randall...not much to say other than I'm munching crow also.
It was a great race. Borel rode that one like I've not seen in a long time.
I hope he comes out of the race ok cause we might be looking at a a TC winner...and it's been a long long time.
Anyway, as Chris F said so many times..."Lodey freakin' da". (RIP Chris)
So now...."back to my van down by the river".
Randall, you and I aren't the only ones with tickets on the floor.
Pass the bird, and watch out for those danged black feathers...coming to a YUM nearby...very soon (after they figure how to serve up ratz).

Scav 05-05-2007 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
Cajun, according to Scavs he "felt bad about making the bet." So I offered to double it. Would've gone to 5 bills on it.....And boy if I was still offshore and they offered Sedge vs. Dominican, I can't tell you what I would've bet.

You got lucky as hell because Price Tag would have smoked that Pletcher rat, yet another horse that cost me money today, I did have Sky Conqueror pretty hard and the derby exacta twice but it didn't matter at the end of the day. I hate horse racing

As for Sedgefield, he ran well

randallscott35 05-05-2007 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
You got lucky as hell because Price Tag would have smoked that Pletcher rat, yet another horse that cost me money today, I did have Sky Conqueror pretty hard and the derby exacta twice but it didn't matter at the end of the day. I hate horse racing

As for Sedgefield, he ran well


Tommy, Yes I would have lost that other 1....But come on, Sedge beat 15 horses and missed 3rd by a length.

Cajungator26 05-05-2007 07:09 PM

Wonder how long until Kev has a Sedgefield license plate? :D

GPK 05-05-2007 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Wonder how long until Kev has a Sedgefield license plate? :D


He aint EC baby..

Cajungator26 05-05-2007 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
He aint EC baby..

Maybe not yet... maybe he's better! :p

pgardn 05-05-2007 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
No thanks to Great Hunter who leaned on him almost the entire race, and cut him off entering the turn. If that didn't happen he might have had a shot at third.

Nakatani hurt more than Dominican. He hurt himself and some others. I have rewatched parts and Nakatani makes a great effort to get closer to the inside and once he is close and has an opening he goes outside around the 1st turn. But Great Hunter was pressed against other horseflesh from almost every little piece I can see him in.

I thought Sedgefield was a joke and he ran well.

GPK 05-05-2007 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Maybe not yet... maybe he's better! :p

whateva:rolleyes:

brianwspencer 05-05-2007 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
Here I am....LOL....Well here's what I think. I think Hard Spun ran the best race contending a demanding 46 half and still finishing and actually gaining at the end.

That being said, Street Sense blew up a number of angles and I'm happy about that. Obviously the Juvy wasn't a fluke and he won his Grade 1 so I was wrong when I made my call back in November. I will continue to stick my neck out based on the numbers I see and the history I see. But congrats to Street Sense and those that backed him. And I will root for him to win the Triple Crown.

Now, to all the people who wanted my sanity checked for liking Sedgefield to hit the board, he missed third by all of 1 length while beating every Pletcher horse and the weak Grade 1 winners of Dominican, Tiago, and NoBiz. So maybe I wasn't crazy after all....And the opening round of drinks for the group at the Spa this summer will be sponsored by Scavs. Did Zanjero finish yet? LOL

The only portion of your post that I disagree with was that Hard Spun ran the better race. I thought he ran a hell of a race, seriously, but Street Sense ran an even bigger race. He had a great trip but he was 19th at one call, and charging for the leaders at the next call.

Great call though on Sedgefield -- I thought he'd have a rough go of it and ran an absolutely huge one.

brianwspencer 05-05-2007 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Glad to see him run well for you, Randall and very glad that I didn't make that bet with you, as I would have lost. I already owe antitrust a 12 pack of beer for Curlin finishing WAY in front of Scat Daddy. :rolleyes:

It appears that the Lane's End was a legit prep.

And too bad we never cemented the stakes for the Storm vs. Daddy bet too, huh?

You'd be owing people all over about now!

randallscott35 05-05-2007 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer
The only portion of your post that I disagree with was that Hard Spun ran the better race. I thought he ran a hell of a race, seriously, but Street Sense ran an even bigger race. He had a great trip but he was 19th at one call, and charging for the leaders at the next call.

Great call though on Sedgefield -- I thought he'd have a rough go of it and ran an absolutely huge one.

Bri, I wasn't saying that to take away from Street Sense. I couldn't have been more wrong on him. But Hard Spun was awesome in here....Street Sense was equally as good and got the trip and was the best. No excuse from Hard Spun, I just was most impressed with his race.

brianwspencer 05-05-2007 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
Bri, I wasn't saying that to take away from Street Sense. I couldn't have been more wrong on him. But Hard Spun was awesome in here....Street Sense was equally as good and got the trip and was the best. No excuse from Hard Spun, I just was most impressed with his race.

Oh me too, I was very very impressed by Hard Spun today, just saying that I disagreed that he ran the best race.

You're being very gracious about a position you took that more or less reviled by everyone, so good for you on that!

The overhead shot on the turn tells the whole story. Sense was like a freight train and the hole opened up for him and that was the end of the story right there.

randallscott35 05-05-2007 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer
Oh me too, I was very very impressed by Hard Spun today, just saying that I disagreed that he ran the best race.

You're being very gracious about a position you took that more or less reviled by everyone, so good for you on that!

The overhead shot on the turn tells the whole story. Sense was like a freight train and the hole opened up for him and that was the end of the story right there.

Not gracious, I deserve a lot of **** for it. Hell, I said he wouldn't make the Derby back in Nov, let alone win a Grade 1 the rest of his life....All he does is go out and win the biggest race in the world. I deserve it. You make calls, you deal with it.....Bet Sedge to show and Hard Spun to win. I have nothing to really be that happy about....But I want to see a Triple Crown winner and would be thrilled if a guy as nice as Nafzger is able to pull it off.

Scurlogue Champ 05-05-2007 08:39 PM

I am officially eating a lot of crow..

CQ just wasn't there for me.

Great race by Hard Spun and SS

Pointg5 05-05-2007 10:09 PM

I said I liked Cowtown Cat, he ran last.

Anyone can say a horse won't win, those kind of jokers are a dime a dozen.

skippy3481 05-05-2007 11:03 PM

While i had very nice bets on SS i have to say hard spun impressed me more. Ss got the rail trip of his dreams and hard spun set a very honest pace. While others were quitting behind him, he kept right on going. I thought he would run a nice race, but nothing like that.

ArlJim78 05-05-2007 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Pointg5
I said I liked Cowtown Cat, he ran last.

Anyone can say a horse won't win, those kind of jokers are a dime a dozen.

The funny part is first you said Circular Quay, then it was Scat Daddy, then finally Cowtown Cat. Did you even consider any non-Pletcher runners?

hoovesupsideyourhead 05-05-2007 11:44 PM

you dogged street from the start ..saying he wouldent this and he wouldent that..got into it with andy and others here.. nothing worse than a hater..cept a save face groveling one... dont root for this horse in the t c dude..its just bad taste..............................

blackthroatedwind 05-05-2007 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
The funny part is first you said Circular Quay, then it was Scat Daddy, then finally Cowtown Cat. Did you even consider any non-Pletcher runners?

..........


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Originally Posted by Pointg5

Anyone can say a horse won't win, those kind of jokers are a dime a dozen.


Scurlogue Champ 05-05-2007 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
you dogged street from the start ..saying he wouldent this and he wouldent that..got into it with andy and others here.. nothing worse than a hater..cept a save face groveling one... dont root for this horse in the t c dude..its just bad taste..............................


I have dogged Street Sense for weeks now and man I was wrong.

Just couldn't admit to myself that he was coming in the best.

King Glorious 05-06-2007 02:09 PM

Serve me up a helping for saying Street Sense couldn't win and saying that the Tampa race would knock him out. He's a really good horse and I won't doubt him again.

randallscott35 05-06-2007 02:18 PM

I actually just saw those hateful posts Hooves.

You sound like you were drinking when you made some of those posts Hooves now that I look at it.

Hey do me a favor Matt, be consistent. Don't be a nice guy in person and during the chat the other night and then a complete dick the rest of the time. Choose what you want....I started my OWN thread saying I was wrong. Don't know what else you want me to do. I actually take stands on horses and put them out there for public consumption. I don't sit on the sidelines and then criticize others for taking a stand. That's cowardly...I was wrong, apparently you have missed the many times on this board I was right....I feel sorry for you to have that kind of anger in you.

jpops757 05-06-2007 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
You were wrong about Street Sense, but you are right that Hard Spun ran an incredible race.

Sedgefield also ran huge. Also how good was Curlin? Not bad for his fourth start.

Street Sense was the most obvious winner to me, but since this is the CROW thread i should mention that in my quest for big odds I was trying to get Domincan into the trifecta, sadly he didn't get there. No thanks to Great Hunter who leaned on him almost the entire race, and cut him off entering the turn. If that didn't happen he might have had a shot at third.

Also, what about Imawildandcrazyguy. Anyone see where he came from?
Holy smokes, it looks like he passed 17 horses in the stretch.

Not that I disagree but isnt all the complaining about leaning on, bumping, and getting cut off,just a product of not having enough horse to avoid these problems. SS is always credited with a perfect trip. The hole was there for any horse that could take it and Calvin had enough horse to take it. If this horse wins because of luck, he sure does show a lot of tallent to go along with it. Maybe if some of the other colts had more talent there luck would change

Pointg5 05-06-2007 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
The funny part is first you said Circular Quay, then it was Scat Daddy, then finally Cowtown Cat. Did you even consider any non-Pletcher runners?

I really have no idea what you are talking about?

I liked Cowtown Cat and was dogged for it, he lost big deal, it happens. I was wrong, so what. Rupert liked him as well, I respect his opinion more than alot of people on here. Didn't High Limit run last in the Derby 2 years ago and come back to win some races?

I was wrong, it happens, big deal.

pmayjr 05-06-2007 03:32 PM

I thought the biggest thing Cowtown had goin for him, was are we really sure going into yesterday that he'd run his best race yet?

The question is now, will Pletcher try the turf with him, try him at sprinting again, or keep him routing to try and put Winstar under the delusion that paying 1.5 mil for him was worth it lol?

cmorioles 05-06-2007 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Pointg5
I liked Cowtown Cat and was dogged for it, he lost big deal, it happens.

I'm not sure lost does the performance justice.

SentToStud 05-06-2007 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
I actually just saw those hateful posts Hooves.

You sound like you were drinking when you made some of those posts Hooves now that I look at it.

Hey do me a favor Matt, be consistent. Don't be a nice guy in person and during the chat the other night and then a complete dick the rest of the time. Choose what you want....I started my OWN thread saying I was wrong. Don't know what else you want me to do. I actually take stands on horses and put them out there for public consumption. I don't sit on the sidelines and then criticize others for taking a stand. That's cowardly...I was wrong, apparently you have missed the many times on this board I was right....I feel sorry for you to have that kind of anger in you.

I wouldn't sweat it. Hooves and 'Wind are knowledgeable handicappers as many here are. However, neither is a likely graduate of any internet charm school.

Just because you didn't like the horse to win doesn't really mean much; hell it's a horse race. If SS wins the Preakness and goes 2/5 in the Belmont, I might bet against him but that doesn't mean I wouldn't appreciate or enjoy seeing a TC winner.

You don't lose your 'privileges' to appreciate a horse because you didn't think it would win a race. That's silly, at least for races at this level. And frankly anyone who criticizes another for not betting the favorite in the Derby has got another thing coming.

Personally, I needed Sedgefield to hang on for 3rd to catch the tri. That doesn't mean I can't appreciate Curlin's and Imawild's efforts.

blackthroatedwind 05-06-2007 05:28 PM

Sent2Stud
 
You're just upset that I beat you out for valedictorian at internet wiseass school. OK, I cheated on the final.....but I did it in the spirit of the institution.

SentToStud 05-06-2007 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
You're just upset that I beat you out for valedictorian at internet wiseass school. OK, I cheated on the final.....but I did it in the spirit of the institution.

I finished third in a class of two, I think. I cheated too.

Pedigree Ann 05-06-2007 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by pmayjr
I thought the biggest thing Cowtown had goin for him, was are we really sure going into yesterday that he'd run his best race yet?

The question is now, will Pletcher try the turf with him, try him at sprinting again, or keep him routing to try and put Winstar under the delusion that paying 1.5 mil for him was worth it lol?

Save him for the Aqueduct inner track meet. Lots of good money to be made against lesser competition for proven 'square-dot'-loving critters.

blackthroatedwind 05-06-2007 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud
I finished third in a class of two, I think. I cheated too.


You have to get over that beat....Hooves and I beat you fair and unsquare.

SentToStud 05-06-2007 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
You have to get over that beat....Hooves and I beat you fair and unsquare.

Never. NEVER!

And of course that was not charm school, but Reform School as you very well know.


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