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Swale84 04-30-2007 06:45 PM

Scat Daddy- bar shoes
 
Jay Privan reported that Scat Daddy worked with bar shoes on both front hooves Sunday, but quoted Platcher as saying he won't race with them on Saturday

http://www.drf.com/news/article/84478.html

AeWingnut 04-30-2007 06:48 PM

Someone help me out here. Why do horses run in bar shoes? Got bad feet? Or is it prevent measures?

Zaf 04-30-2007 06:49 PM

Usually to prevent the horses hoof from cracking.

JDank34 04-30-2007 06:52 PM

NOT a good sign at all. Bar shoes and for that measure bar shoes on a forgiving surface like polytrack= uh oh......BAD SIGN :eek:

Danzig 04-30-2007 06:54 PM

if you were considering playing him, do you still? a warning bell in my mind. i was never high on the horse, certainly see no positives here.

randallscott35 04-30-2007 06:55 PM

Its not what I would want to hear, that's for sure. Didn't like him for a large piece anyway so it doesn't affect my view of him much.

Danzig 04-30-2007 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
Its not what I would want to hear, that's for sure. Didn't like him for a large piece anyway so it doesn't affect my view of him much.

well hey rand!! been wondering where you'd been, glad to see you're back--of course, if you haven't been gone, i guess i just missed seeing you.

Hickory Hill Hoff 04-30-2007 06:59 PM

It could be just for training........or.........

Jamie isn't gonna like this!

randallscott35 04-30-2007 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
well hey rand!! been wondering where you'd been, glad to see you're back--of course, if you haven't been gone, i guess i just missed seeing you.

Took a short break....Back for the Derby week extravaganza though with the crazy crew here.

Danzig 04-30-2007 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff
It could be just for training........or.........

Jamie isn't gonna like this!

no sir she isn't.

paisjpq 04-30-2007 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff
It could be just for training........or.........

Jamie isn't gonna like this!

even if it's just for training...it's not a great sign...he may have something fairly simple like underrun heels...but that's painful and certainly not going to aid him in giving his best run.

Swale84 04-30-2007 07:12 PM

More info from a different article
http://www.drf.com/news/article/84468.html


Scat Daddy, winner of the Florida Derby and Fountain of Youth Stakes in his last two starts, has been training with bar shoes on his front feet and had them on for his final workout Sunday at Keeneland. However, he will remove them for Saturday's Derby and race in conventional plates, trainer Todd Pletcher said.

Bar shoes are usually used to protect a tender part of a hoof. The shoes Scat Daddy was wearing "keep him from putting pressure on his inside quarters," Pletcher said.

"He won't run in them, but he has trained in them," Pletcher said. "It's not something new. He's had bar shoes, or similar shoes, since July. I'd say that in the last year, for 10 months he's trained in bar shoes. He might not need them any more, but I'm not going to take a chance now."

tycharles01 04-30-2007 08:16 PM

Hmmm sounds little weird to me


Like someone who tears a ACL 2 yrs ago but only wears a knee brace in practice and not the game???

blackthroatedwind 04-30-2007 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by tycharles01
Hmmm sounds little weird to me


Like someone who tears a ACL 2 yrs ago but only wears a knee brace in practice and not the game???


That's a pretty poor analogy. Is it possible Pletcher isn't telling the whole truth? Yes, but it's not particularly likely. Horses do train in bar shoes and not run in them sometimes. Horses run with bar shoes and win sometimes as well. Suggesting he has some debilitating injury ( like a torn ACL ) defies logic.

Sounds more to me like he already has his excuse however. A phony excuse....but they usually are.

Cajungator26 04-30-2007 08:24 PM

I'm not concerned about it. If he looks lame in the paddock or post parade, then I'll worry... I haven't seen that thus yet. Agree that it's not a good sign, though.

blackthroatedwind 04-30-2007 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
I'm not concerned about it. If he looks lame in the paddock or post parade, then I'll worry... I haven't seen that thus yet. Agree that it's not a good sign, though.

You're gonna have to consult with you know who then.

Cajungator26 04-30-2007 08:25 PM

I can only hope that our board expert will be on hand to let me know just how sore he is.

Hickory Hill Hoff 04-30-2007 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cajungator26
I'm not concerned about it. If he looks lame in the paddock or post parade, then I'll worry... I haven't seen that thus yet. Agree that it's not a good sign, though.

But, will this news change how or how much you wager on him?

blackthroatedwind 04-30-2007 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cajungator26
I can only hope that our board expert will be on hand to let me know just how sore he is.


One can only believe that her services are so in demand this week that she won't have time to help us little folks at this time.

Cajungator26 04-30-2007 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
One can only believe that her services are so in demand this week that she won't have time to help us little folks at this time.

It's a bloody shame too. Every dollar I planned on betting is riding on her expertise. I had forgotten she teamed up with Justin Dew this week.

JJP 04-30-2007 10:13 PM

If he'd been training w/bar shoes for 10 months like what Pletcher said, this isn't news. It would be a completely different story if he just started wearing them. Yet another non-story by the media.

hockey2315 04-30-2007 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJP
If he'd been training w/bar shoes for 10 months like what Pletcher said, this isn't news. It would be a completely different story if he just started wearing them. Yet another non-story by the media.

In such a contentious race, though, it seems like more of a minus than a plus. . .

slotdirt 05-01-2007 07:57 AM

Leroidesanimaux started wearing bar shoes immediately prior to the Mile in 2005, though that was a turf race and he ran pretty well anyway.

Buffymommy 05-01-2007 08:23 AM

I am guessing that he has feet problems all the time so they are just using them as a precaution.

I can't decide what horse scares me the most this year. That is the one I am betting on. :)

paisjpq 05-01-2007 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slotdirt
Leroidesanimaux started wearing bar shoes immediately prior to the Mile in 2005, though that was a turf race and he ran pretty well anyway.

sometimes with a turf horse their big round feet lead also tend to be flat and lead to crushed/underrun heels....in those cases the bar shoes help to evenly distribute force to the whole foot

FATPIANO 05-01-2007 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJP
If he'd been training w/bar shoes for 10 months like what Pletcher said, this isn't news. It would be a completely different story if he just started wearing them. Yet another non-story by the media.

100 % agreement..........GO Daddy Go.....

Hickory Hill Hoff 05-04-2007 07:19 PM

If his feet are sore...will he really like how the Churchill surface is now or even when it's drying out tomorrow???

Scav 05-04-2007 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff
If his feet are sore...will he really like how the Churchill surface is now or even when it's drying out tomorrow???

Not gonna be drying out, suppose to continue to rain all day tomorrow

Hickory Hill Hoff 05-04-2007 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Not gonna be drying out, suppose to continue to rain all day tomorrow

Thought I heard Steve say on ATRAB that the chance of rain was up graded to only 20% tomorrow...
but it was still raining in the finale today though.

tycharles01 05-04-2007 08:00 PM

It suppose to rain all night and then stop but start up again at 12/1 PM

According to my buddy who lives up there

Honu 05-04-2007 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zaf
Usually to prevent the horses hoof from cracking.

Or the horse already has a quarter crack and they put them on to hlep support the hoof or the horse has navicular disease or some other hoof ailment . If you look at the horses foot in the paddock and see some stuff on it that looks like bondo that means he has popped a crack and it has been patched .

2Hot4TV 05-04-2007 10:48 PM

Bar shoes make an instant toss in a race like this.

disappearingdan_akaplaya 05-04-2007 11:11 PM

point given had bar shoe

sumitas 05-05-2007 12:46 AM

tx, can't go with Scat Daddy in this race when he's got foot problems.

ALostTexan 05-05-2007 12:49 AM

I still think people are making way too big of a deal over this. I hope his odds got through the roof with all of the commotion over the shoes, because he will still have (some of) my money tomorrow...

ALostTexan

2Hot4TV 05-05-2007 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya
point given had bar shoe

Also had a milk shake too.


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