Best Turf Horse in America
 

I think its showing up, just want to get everyone's opinion....

my top 3, in order are...

showing up
the tin man
english channel

Definitely not EC...Showing Up is terrific. Big 4yr old season ahead.

[quote=randallscott35]Definitely not EC...Showing Up is terrific. Big 4yr old season ahead.[/QUOTE
i dont like english channel, i have never bet him, and sometimes i even make it a point to bet against him, but at this point i think he's definitly top 3

Palace Episode...

who is that ?

godolphin's newest US recruit.. has some solid juvi form.. beat the likes of dylan thomas at 2..

really ? i have never herd of this one, where can i see pp's ?

racing post has his pps.. had one run last year when godolphin couldnt find a winner. returned a very sick horse.. has been off since..

from racingpost

PALACE EPISODE, winner of the 2005 Racing Post Trophy,has been switched to Godolphin's US-based team, along with the same year's Royal Lodge Stakes winner Leo.

Both horses will be based with Godolphin assistant Rick Mettee in the States, according to theThoroughbred Times.

Trained by Kevin Ryan as a two-year-old, Palace Episode finished last of six in the Dante last term on his only start after joining Saeed Bin Suroor's string.

Leo did not race last year after finishing ninth behind Stevie Wonderboy for John Gosden in the 2005 Breeders' Cup Juvenile.

“They just arrived, so they won't race for a while; probably until mid-summer or something like that,” Mettee told theThoroughbred Times.

True Cause, a Goodwood two-year-old winner in 2005, is also reported to have joined Mettee's team at Payson Park Training Center in Florida, where Godolphin now have 14 horses.

“They'll probably be joined by a few who run Dubai World Cup night, so I imagine we'll have anywhere between 15 and 20 in New York at Belmont Park,” Mettee said.

Discreet Cat, currently in Dubai, is the standard bearer for Godolphin's US string, but the Florida-based squad also includes Grade 1 winner Ashkal Way and the unbeaten three-year-old Minefield.

However, the latter resumed training only recently after undergoing minor ankle surgery. “He's another one that probably won't race until the summer,” Mettee said.

Ashkal Way

he's ok

of the more regarded ones, showing up might find it difficult this year.. he looked very good in those 3yo only races and couldnt bridge the gap in the Man O'War.. its a big step up.. saying that, he still has a bit of improvement in him..

PG....Showing Up is very good...and he may prove to be even better this year as 4YO. But as of now, he has beat nothing but 3YO's. I believe it was Cacique that ran past Showing Up like he was standing still.... in the Man O War...

LOL...2 Kevins thinking alike...:cool:

he has a great stride. . .

What Ashkal Way really is would be a clear indication of how poor the overall quality of the supposed " good " turf horses are in this country. He was a fourth stringer for Godolphin overseas.

Let's face facts, the turf horses in America, for the most part, flat out stink.

My point exactly by including him...

i realize this, but isent cacique retired ? showing up is very talented and yes he has to improve but as of now he has to be 1-2 with the other one in consideration being the tin man

if showing up faced Ashkal Way i think showing up would win pretty easily

Exactly. Being voted best turf horse in America is like being voted the skinniest kid at fat camp.
Not much of an honor.

Of course Cacique is retired....how forgetful of me. But still, IMO, it is hard to label him #1 when he has yet to win against older horses.

i see what your saying, i just think based on how weak the division is and how overrated english channel is, i think it has to be showing up, unless you want to put the tin man in the number 1 spot, which i would not argue

u thinking that u should be studying??

not this cat....I was done with school many moons ago.

The Tin Man can certainly be considered for the #1 spot...no denying that.

Pretty weak division. I can only really put Showing Up and Lava man (let's revisit in 2 weeks) there. maybe we'll see somithing out of some others this spring/summer.

Yeah Lava Man is tough to figure on this list. In Cali, I would certainly bet him against Showing Up, but unless he proves he can win outside of Cali (which I doubt he ever will) I wouldn't put him in the top 3.

Turk Passer

i wouldnt put lava man on my list at all, because in cali or not i dont think he could beat the tin man

While The Tin Man was very consistent last year and ran a terrific race in the Arlington Million the horse was able to back the pace down to a ridiculous level. It was an absolutely masterful ride by Victor Espinoza, who is very tough on a frontrunner, but I would like to see The Tin Man win a race with A) a good field and B) run legitimate fractions en route to the victory. He is undoubtedly a top notch turfer in this country, these are just some things I'd like to see.

In a 1 1/4 mile race with more than one speed horse, give me English Channel over The Tin Man.

NT

Bayeux was just off the top level here and should be very decent on turf and poly... there's a g1 in him i feel!

i forgot about him, i like him very very much..... good post

look at the tin mans pp's he has shown the ability to go very fast early and still be there late, also he ran huge in dubai, even at his old age i'd take him over english channel

Close, it was actually the Turf Classic with Velazquez... on what was a horrible Breeders Cup Preview day at Belmont.

what about wait a while?...i know she is a female but i feel she had a very impressive 3 year old season and she has already beat older females (even though i believe the field was on the weak side)

the male turf division is very weak and she is very good, but i wouldnt put her in the top 3, i would go showing up, the tin man, english channel, and then very possibly her

I dont understand why people are so hard on Tinny for the Arlington Million win. Is it his fault that the other jocks let him and Victor steal the race?hehe I also think the Dubai race was a brilliant race. He had a post that took the race out of his hands so to speak. Victor had to send him or get stuck down on the rail in major traffic, and for him to lead the whole way and just get beat by a very good horse(if you forgive the BC classic trainwreck) in David Junior.....but then agian I am just a tad prejudice!:D