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POINTGIVEN1985 03-18-2007 09:05 PM

Belgravia
 
Does anyone know for sure the plans for this guy ? Someone earlier said he just worked down at keenland, but they werent sure where hes running, the last i herd was he was going to the derby off one prep, which would be the bluegrass, this seems like a crazy idea but this guy is definitly talented, and if he does go to the bluegrass, maybe he can get enough out of it to get a peice on derby day, thats if those are still the plans. I have him as my super sleeper, im hoping he runs in the bluegrass it would be very intresting

paisjpq 03-18-2007 09:09 PM

right now he doesn't have the $$ to go to the derby...he will have to WIN a graded race soon if he is to have any chance of even entering.

paisjpq 03-18-2007 09:14 PM

he is nominated for both the lanes end and the bluegrass.
http://www.bloodhorse.com/articleind...e.asp?id=37720
http://www.bloodhorse.com/articleind...e.asp?id=37775

GPK 03-18-2007 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq
right now he doesn't have the $$ to go to the derby...he will have to WIN a graded race soon if he is to have any chance of even entering.


does not matter Bethani...this horse is LOVED!!!!!!!!

paisjpq 03-18-2007 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
does not matter Bethani...this horse is LOVED!!!!!!!!

well so am I but I'm not going:D :D

GPK 03-18-2007 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq
well so am I but I'm not going:D :D


Ok....Mrs P. loves you....where do we go from there??:eek:

citycat 03-18-2007 09:31 PM

He worked 4f in 48.00 (5/24) yesterday at Keeneland

GPK 03-18-2007 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by citycat
He worked 4f in 48.00 (5/24) yesterday at Keeneland

and he is loved...so that adds something extra to the work....

point given 03-18-2007 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by citycat
He worked 4f in 48.00 (5/24) yesterday at Keeneland

Thanks for that, i was wondering. I got him in my derby stable. From what i recall, he is a Poly track loving fool. and Biancone was only playing in LALA land. ;)

POINTGIVEN1985 03-18-2007 10:02 PM

i think he could possibly run 1-2 in the bluegrass which would give him enough for the derby

point given 03-18-2007 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985
i think he could possibly run 1-2 in the bluegrass which would give him enough for the derby


Take 2 valium and post in the AM :o

POINTGIVEN1985 03-18-2007 10:14 PM

well i read over a month ago the biancone was training him up to the bluegrass, and that would be his only prep for the derby, now i only posted this to see if anyone knew if that was true or not.... my reassons for him being able to possibly run 1-2 are, great connections, he loves poly, hes obviously very talented and his last race where he got beat he had problems, and stormello has ran huge since, biancone needs a derby horse. i mean there are alot of reassons why he could run big, he won first time out with alot of problems, then he beat notional so i think if he's healthy he has alot going for him, personally i wouldnt try to make the derby with him but thats just me

point given 03-18-2007 10:34 PM

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Just out of curiosity, weeks from the race with really no idea who is in it, how do you think he could possibly run 1-2?

does this question really need asking :confused:

POINTGIVEN1985 03-18-2007 10:36 PM

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does this question really need asking :confused:

i think i just gave a legit answer to that question

kentuckyrosesinmay 03-18-2007 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Not really. My point was you have no idea who is going to be running so how can you project where he'll finish, weeks in advance. Sure he has shown some talent sprinting. But his race in the Futurity didn't exactly get the pulse rising.

He had a very legitimate excuse that day as he was sick. This horse is the goods. I just hope that he didn't have an injury on top of the sickness.

POINTGIVEN1985 03-18-2007 10:45 PM

[quote=DaHoss9698]Not really. My point was you have no idea who is going to be running so how can you project where he'll finish, weeks in advance. Sure he has shown some talent sprinting. But his race in the Futurity didn't exactly get the pulse r
based off of what i have seen, and read i am saying that i think he can run 1-2, biancone will have to have him cranked if not he could actually miss the derby because of graded earnings

point given 03-18-2007 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985
i think i just gave a legit answer to that question


Stay down , take the 10count ;)

POINTGIVEN1985 03-18-2007 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
He had a very legitimate excuse that day as he was sick. This horse is the goods. I just hope that he didn't have an injury on top of the sickness.

thank you

POINTGIVEN1985 03-18-2007 10:47 PM

the horse is also very well intended, has been pounded at the window everytime out including first time, and once again he has already beat notional

POINTGIVEN1985 03-18-2007 10:50 PM

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Yeah I've heard the sick thing before. Pretty troubling that he hasn't been back since. He's talented sure, but way, way behind. Hopefully he isn't rushed.

i agree with you there, once again thats why i posted this to see if anyone knew for sure what the plans are. in previous posts i stated i hope he dosent rush and try to make the derby, but i did read that they will work him up to the bluegrass, run there and then go straight to the derby

kentuckyrosesinmay 03-18-2007 10:53 PM

What you have to remember is that he beat Notional on a surface that Notional obviously didn't like. Remember that they installed the synthetic surface into Hollywood Park. Notional is also a much better horse than he showed in the Futurity.

I like Belgravia a lot though. He has shown a lot of promise. I will have to see the field for either the Lane's End or the BG Stakes (whichever one he starts in) to see if I like him for either of those races or not. It will be really tough for him off of a layoff though. However, at this point, I can't like him for the Derby with the setbacks that he has experienced.

POINTGIVEN1985 03-18-2007 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
What you have to remember is that he beat Notional on a surface that Notional obviously didn't like. Remember that they installed the synthetic surface into Hollywood Park. Notional is also a much better horse than he showed in the Futurity.

I like Belgravia a lot though. He has shown a lot of promise. I will have to see the field for either the Lane's End or the BG Stakes (whichever one he starts in) to see if I like him for either of those races or not. It will be really tough for him off of a layoff though. However, at this point, I can't like him for the Derby with the setbacks that he has experienced.

i dont think he can win the derby, but with his running style i think he can get a piece, even at this point

citycat 03-19-2007 08:23 AM

He has been nominated for the Lanes End (G3) on Saturday March 24 at Turfway Park.

point given 03-19-2007 10:44 AM

pps for lanes end noms
 
I took a look and to me , I think I see 3 probables pointing to the Lanes End.

Hard Spun - off the Arkansas trail,now pointed here
Twilight Meteor - Pletcher turfer who will probably try dirt/poly soon
Belgravia - poly loving fool

I've got HS and Bel in my stable so i should be lookin'good that weekend

http://www.turfway.com/uploads/nomin...0318145014.pdf

Storm Cadet 03-19-2007 12:21 PM

So the question now goes to WHICH prep race gets him ready for the Derby?

Lands End which then gives him 3 weeks to Blue Grass? Does he run both? I don't think so. Does he run in the Derby on 6 weeks rest only running in Lands End? Not a good move either.

Find a easier tightener on the 24th somewhere else and then run in BG in Keeneland and run for the Derby with 3 weeks rest? Makes more sense.

SniperSB23 03-19-2007 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Storm Cadet
So the question now goes to WHICH prep race gets him ready for the Derby?

Lands End which then gives him 3 weeks to Blue Grass? Does he run both? I don't think so. Does he run in the Derby on 6 weeks rest only running in Lands End? Not a good move either.

Find a easier tightener on the 24th somewhere else and then run in BG in Keeneland and run for the Derby with 3 weeks rest? Makes more sense.

Biancone's comments from like 3 to 4 weeks back were that he will definitely run in the Blue Grass and hopefully be ready to prep for it in the Lane's End but that he wouldn't be afraid to run the horse in the Derby off just the Blue Grass. He will not be running him in the Lane's End and then skipping the Blue Grass to go straight for the Derby. Him and Twilight Meteor could easily both wind up in the Derby field without ever running a race on dirt.

POINTGIVEN1985 03-19-2007 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Biancone's comments from like 3 to 4 weeks back were that he will definitely run in the Blue Grass and hopefully be ready to prep for it in the Lane's End but that he wouldn't be afraid to run the horse in the Derby off just the Blue Grass. He will not be running him in the Lane's End and then skipping the Blue Grass to go straight for the Derby. Him and Twilight Meteor could easily both wind up in the Derby field without ever running a race on dirt.

i think belgravia will be in the derby, biancone will find a way to get him in

point given 03-19-2007 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985
i think belgravia will be in the derby, biancone will find a way to get him in

yeah, he's goin to prostitute himself to the racing secretary , gotta watch those frenchies.

POINTGIVEN1985 03-19-2007 05:43 PM

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yeah, he's goin to prostitute himself to the racing secretary , gotta watch those frenchies.

you know what i mean he will find the graded earnings and have his horse ready to run

point given 03-19-2007 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985
you know what i mean he will find the graded earnings and have his horse ready to run

Is that like the easter egg hunt or you get in if you roll the egg with a spoon across the white house lawn in case your horse stumbles out of the gate and your horse comes in 3rd in your derby prep.:rolleyes:

PPerfectfan 03-20-2007 12:33 AM

I think he is in the same boat as Cobalt Blue. They are just way behind everyone. But if anyone could do it, I am sure the Frenchie could do it. But I love him and I hope they dont ruin him to just get to the Derby.

Pedigree Ann 03-20-2007 03:39 PM

A Mr. Greeley out of a mare who won a stakes and 3 other races at stakes distances, but couldn't win a race of any kind at 8f+. Miler at best, more likely a one-turn miler. A horse like him MIGHT win a longer race on class and/or fitness, but he won't have a fitness edge with this kind of light schedule, and as I recall, he barely lasted over Dilemma , who didn't have the best of trips, in the Prevue, so I see no overwhelming class edge.


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