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POINTGIVEN1985 03-19-2007 05:30 PM

Best Turf Horse in America
 
I think its showing up, just want to get everyone's opinion....

my top 3, in order are...

showing up
the tin man
english channel

randallscott35 03-19-2007 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985
I think its showing up, just want to get everyone's opinion....

my top 3, in order are...

showing up
the tin man
english channel

Definitely not EC...Showing Up is terrific. Big 4yr old season ahead.

POINTGIVEN1985 03-19-2007 05:33 PM

[quote=randallscott35]Definitely not EC...Showing Up is terrific. Big 4yr old season ahead.[/QUOTE
i dont like english channel, i have never bet him, and sometimes i even make it a point to bet against him, but at this point i think he's definitly top 3

brockguy 03-19-2007 05:38 PM

Palace Episode...

POINTGIVEN1985 03-19-2007 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by brockguy
Palace Episode...

who is that ?

brockguy 03-19-2007 05:43 PM

godolphin's newest US recruit.. has some solid juvi form.. beat the likes of dylan thomas at 2..

POINTGIVEN1985 03-19-2007 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by brockguy
godolphin's newest US recruit.. has some solid juvi form.. beat the likes of dylan thomas at 2..

really ? i have never herd of this one, where can i see pp's ?

brockguy 03-19-2007 05:46 PM

racing post has his pps.. had one run last year when godolphin couldnt find a winner. returned a very sick horse.. has been off since..

from racingpost

PALACE EPISODE, winner of the 2005 Racing Post Trophy,has been switched to Godolphin's US-based team, along with the same year's Royal Lodge Stakes winner Leo.

Both horses will be based with Godolphin assistant Rick Mettee in the States, according to theThoroughbred Times.

Trained by Kevin Ryan as a two-year-old, Palace Episode finished last of six in the Dante last term on his only start after joining Saeed Bin Suroor's string.

Leo did not race last year after finishing ninth behind Stevie Wonderboy for John Gosden in the 2005 Breeders' Cup Juvenile.

“They just arrived, so they won't race for a while; probably until mid-summer or something like that,” Mettee told theThoroughbred Times.

True Cause, a Goodwood two-year-old winner in 2005, is also reported to have joined Mettee's team at Payson Park Training Center in Florida, where Godolphin now have 14 horses.

“They'll probably be joined by a few who run Dubai World Cup night, so I imagine we'll have anywhere between 15 and 20 in New York at Belmont Park,” Mettee said.

Discreet Cat, currently in Dubai, is the standard bearer for Godolphin's US string, but the Florida-based squad also includes Grade 1 winner Ashkal Way and the unbeaten three-year-old Minefield.

However, the latter resumed training only recently after undergoing minor ankle surgery. “He's another one that probably won't race until the summer,” Mettee said.

Scurlogue Champ 03-19-2007 05:48 PM

Ashkal Way

POINTGIVEN1985 03-19-2007 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by moodwalker
Ashkal Way


he's ok

brockguy 03-19-2007 05:55 PM

of the more regarded ones, showing up might find it difficult this year.. he looked very good in those 3yo only races and couldnt bridge the gap in the Man O'War.. its a big step up.. saying that, he still has a bit of improvement in him..

GPK 03-19-2007 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985
I think its showing up, just want to get everyone's opinion....

my top 3, in order are...

showing up
the tin man
english channel


PG....Showing Up is very good...and he may prove to be even better this year as 4YO. But as of now, he has beat nothing but 3YO's. I believe it was Cacique that ran past Showing Up like he was standing still.... in the Man O War...

GPK 03-19-2007 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by brockguy
of the more regarded ones, showing up might find it difficult this year.. he looked very good in those 3yo only races and couldnt bridge the gap in the Man O'War.. its a big step up.. saying that, he still has a bit of improvement in him..


LOL...2 Kevins thinking alike...:cool:

hockey2315 03-19-2007 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by moodwalker
Ashkal Way

he has a great stride. . .

blackthroatedwind 03-19-2007 05:59 PM

What Ashkal Way really is would be a clear indication of how poor the overall quality of the supposed " good " turf horses are in this country. He was a fourth stringer for Godolphin overseas.

Let's face facts, the turf horses in America, for the most part, flat out stink.

Scurlogue Champ 03-19-2007 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
What Ashkal Way really is would be a clear indication of how poor the overall quality of the supposed " good " turf horses are in this country. He was a fourth stringer for Godolphin overseas.

Let's face facts, the turf horses in America, for the most part, flat out stink.

My point exactly by including him...

POINTGIVEN1985 03-19-2007 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
PG....Showing Up is very good...and he may prove to be even better this year as 4YO. But as of now, he has beat nothing but 3YO's. I believe it was Cacique that ran past Showing Up like he was standing still.... in the Man O War...

i realize this, but isent cacique retired ? showing up is very talented and yes he has to improve but as of now he has to be 1-2 with the other one in consideration being the tin man

POINTGIVEN1985 03-19-2007 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by moodwalker
My point exactly by including him...

if showing up faced Ashkal Way i think showing up would win pretty easily

miraja2 03-19-2007 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
What Ashkal Way really is would be a clear indication of how poor the overall quality of the supposed " good " turf horses are in this country. He was a fourth stringer for Godolphin overseas.

Let's face facts, the turf horses in America, for the most part, flat out stink.

Exactly. Being voted best turf horse in America is like being voted the skinniest kid at fat camp.
Not much of an honor.

GPK 03-19-2007 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985
i realize this, but isent cacique retired ? showing up is very talented and yes he has to improve but as of now he has to be 1-2 with the other one in consideration being the tin man


Of course Cacique is retired....how forgetful of me. But still, IMO, it is hard to label him #1 when he has yet to win against older horses.


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