Penn St stinks also.

I was trying to be reasonable and give them a half, but yes, they stink. Texas and OU would beat them.

I would agree with that also.

This ridiculous system has forced us to try and analyze losses. Is there a comparison between Oklahoma State's lone loss and Alabama's? Not really, Alabama's 3 pt loss to LSU stacks up much better than OSU's loss to Iowa State.

However, there were extenuating circumstances in place for OSU and their body of work in 2011 altogether was damn good. Alabama had an excellent season and struggled with no one on their schedule when victorious.

There have been many years where the results and the subsequent BCS decision made it abundantly clear that a new system is needed. This year is another example as both OSU and Alabama deserve a shot to play for a championship.

-Master of the obvious

Then what about a team like Wisconsin who lost twice on hail mary type plays/finishes. Dont they have a beef also, they want on to avenge one of there losses and win the Big Ten title.

no

you aren't supposed to just consider the one loss. from what i've heard/read, ok st had a tougher overall schedule. they also played one game more than bama, and won a traditionally tough game that they lose far more often than they win. they really took it to okla the other night. voters are supposed to pay attention to the season-much like eclipse voters, they evidently only pay attention to a big matchup.

and then there's the fact that arkansas' only good win was vs south carolina.

Alabama is the villain this year. Good. Explain how one conference can win 5 BCS championships in a row. Then ponder how Alabama can lose the majority of their offense from last year and still be so damn good.

You should be thankful Oklahoma State isn't playing LSU. NO SHOT. It would never happen. Just enjoy your game against so and so and stfu and watch the two best teams in CFB play in Nawlins.

Already saw it, what I could stay awake through anyway.

The cowpokes have a 40 year old quarterback that folded against a scrub school. They deserve no shot at a BCS championship.

Boring games can happen when you're dealing with two outstanding defenses. And lets be honest the Big 12 is lacking this year in a strong, CONSISTENT defensive team.

You can throw all the stats in existence but the fact remains OK State s.hit the bed against a peon. Good defenses don't lose to bottom dwellers with no history of success.

i didn't find the lsu/bama game boring at all. guess that's just me. but then, some people enjoy both offenses scoring back and forth, with 48/47 final scores an exciting game to them. not me. that game was a brutal battle from start to finish. might not have caused a lot of cheering throughout the game, but it was riveting.


as an aside regarding boise st..with them moving into the big east, with an auto bcs bid for the conference winner, will they still be complaining about the system when they go to the fiesta bowl??? doubt it.

The defenses are good, but the offenses are average at best. It isn't like only great defense kept the score down.

Whenever there is an SEC school with a good offense the defense usually is forgotten. Florida, LSU and Bama had outstanding defenses for their recent past championship runs. You can say Auburn last year had a defense that would equal or better any Big 12 team.

I understand your points. The reality is a playoff system wouldn't make much difference. SEC is the premier conference and would perform extremely well in a 4 or 8 team playoff.

For now we're stuck with this annoying system where inferior programs like Boise State can b.itch and moan about life not being fair. Well that's a better option than a playoff system where they would be exposed.

i don't think our running game is average. reuben randle is a top receiver in the ncaa. i think at that game lee just collapsed-perhaps he knew by then he was about to be declared academically ineligible? at any rate, not a good day for him. so they turned to jefferson, who hadn't had a whole lot of playing time up to that point. i think we'll have a better showing this time around. jefferson is not a top qb, but he's adequate. i think tho that the rest of the offensive is better than average.

Kinda what I have been saying about OK St for 3 months now.

Im really not sure why everyone keeps talking about OK St schedule, basicley everyone sucked this year other then the SEC. Everyone was down. Back to the OK ST loss. I bet the game its in the upset special thread. I bet Iowa St. I saw every play. I get the tragedy the day before and its very sad, it was a great loss to the program. But OK St was a 31 point favorite. Even if they bring there C game, they are supposed to win. The QB had at least 3 interceptions, I was not impressed.

The tragedy wasn't the day before, they found out that morning. Who gives a **** if you bet it? You were dumb enough to bet OU against them.

Yes, because we all know the favorite wins every game in sports. Guess what, sometimes the best team doesn't even win...shocking I know.

Our? Which team do you play for? Please tell me you are at least an alum. Here in Oklahoma half the "fans" can't even find OU on a map.

our as in lsu. sorry, didn't know i couldn't use 'our'. and i can find it on a map; i'm pretty good at geography. and when i'm a fan, i'm a fan. hell, i still pull for the skins after all these years even tho i can't stand the owner and the team has sucked for some time.
closest any of us got to being an alum was my youngest; he was offered a scholarship but went navy instead.

How many NFL starters is the OSU QB older than? I am thinking just a few guys playing right now are over 28.

I dont think anyone is making Alabama out to be the villain. It is how we got to Alabama is what people are wondering about. I agree that the 2 best teams surely could be the 2 teams playing in the championship which in theory is how it is supposed to be but in every other sport we get there on the the field not in mysterious polls. The biggest joke concerning the BCS this year isn't even the final game, it is having Va Tech in the Sugar bowl

Ncaa total points scored average: Boise 43, LSU 38, Bama 36

Ncaa total points allowed average: Bama 9, LSU 10, Boise 18

Isn't it painfully obvious what matters the most here, and obviously the offensive averages for LSU and Bama include the 9-6 game against each other.

What difference does this make?

If we had a QB that was good enough to turn loose with the offensive weapons we had over the last 3 years, we could have throttled the competition.

Agreed. My only real problem is over and over we hear that the great thing about the BCS is that it makes every game matter. They say it is almost like March Madness all year in football. In this case, we get a rematch where the team that lost AT HOME had their shot.

Why shouldn't someone else get one now? I'm not even arguing that they aren't the second best team, or even the best. Everyone can trot out statistics and opinions, but none of it matters. You only get real results on the field.

They also include the 52-3(LSU) and 52-7 (Alabama) games against the girls team from Ole Miss lol

They also include games against those powerhouses Ole Miss and Tennessee. As I've said elsewhere, in a system where nobody really knows who is best, why should one team get two chances? It is ridiculous.

strength of schedule, LSU 18, Bama 23, Boise.....69.

28 just seems unfair for a collegiate athlete, no?

Why? If he was a terrible 28 year old would it still be unfair?

Nobody, and I mean nobody, is saying Boise should be in the title game. They didn't even win their conference.

He isn't the first, and won't be the last. The rules have been in place for a long time. Weinke won the Heisman under similar circumstances.

I really dont understand the theory that the BCS makes every game count. Like before the BCS the big schools still felt free to schedule non conference teams like Alabama did this year (Ga Southern, North Texas, Kent State) and you still needed to be undefeated or have an early season loss to have a chance to be number 1(unless you are an SEC team). The problem I have is that not only arent the games between the top team decided on the field but the "scientific" methods that the BCS uses are a joke. If you had a 4 or 8 or 16 team playoff it is as though you wouldn't have 4-8 teams getting in. It isnt like a loss wont hurt you either in getting in or in seeding. In theory the BCS makes only regular season games between the top 4 or 5 teams important anyway.

It is all propoganda so that the commissioners of the SEC, Big 10, ACC and Pac 12 can control the power and money in college football.

Didnt we go through this already?

That pretty much sums it up.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/footbal...ate_bcs_112911

I put this up before and he really nails it.

"Understand this, though: No matter what it says, the BCS is not a system designed to choose a championship matchup. It is merely a tool to stave off the inevitable playoff bowl directors fear will cut into their millions in tax-free profits, a casino-style distraction to placate the masses."

"That said, if the BCS somehow survives in its current incarnation, the formula to determine 1-2 must be scrapped.

It currently consists of two-thirds human opinion polls that are ripe for political foolishness, full of oft-uneducated voters and subject to groupthink."

"The other third features an average of six computer formulas, which quantitative analysts have declared mathematically unsound and their own proprietors admit are not as accurate as they could be. Five of the computer formulas are secret, even kept from the BCS, which means no one, absolutely no one, knows if they are accurate or honest."

"It is a total disaster of a system. No one who cares about the game would ever invent such a thing. Just because ESPN does a fine job dressing it up each week like it’s a legitimate process doesn’t mean it is."

"BCS executive director Bill Hancock likes to refer to the formula as “one part science, two parts art.” It’s actually just a wholly formed insult to intelligence.

The computer formulas are mathematically laughable. There is plenty of debate about how accurate any ranking formula is when trying to use limited data (12 or 13 games) to sort through a diverse mass of teams. Some of the formulas include not just the 120 FBS teams but extend all the way to junior colleges.

In late October, Kenneth Massey’s rankings had Arizona Western, a community college, 30th overall.

Seriously."

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7ttRaXlnfs

The world's foremost authority on the BCS explains it beautifully:





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHlLmYVCzKY