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Coach Pants 06-18-2010 08:47 PM
What do you do for a living?

The Indomitable DrugS 06-18-2010 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 659457)
Well, it's funny on how one hand he can lament people not knowing horses in the past, then on the other hand, he spews that crap out.
If he didn't go to a PAC 10 school ... you'd probably say Cannon is just an Easterner with a bias against Cal racing.

Cannon Shell 06-18-2010 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 659457)
Well, it's funny on how one hand he can lament people not knowing horses in the past, then on the other hand, he spews that crap out.
LOL

So we now just selectively choose what races and years that are the true measure of a horse?

He was very good as a two year old.
Best pal was a pretty good three year old who ran well in a few big races
As a 4 year old he had a great spring
The rest of career was hit or miss, losing an awful lot to a lot of ordinary horses.

He wasn't exactly John Henry

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The Indomitable DrugS 06-18-2010 11:21 PM
For those of us to young to remember any of John Henry's career ... Best Pal was very unique and one hell of a horse when he was on his game before injury and old age caught up... and pretty solid there after.

In other matters .... Cannon ... would you care to guess at my current facebook status...


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Sightseek 06-18-2010 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 659545)
For those of us to young to remember any of John Henry's career ... Best Pal was very unique and one hell of a horse when he was on his game before injury and old age caught up... and pretty solid there after.

In other matters .... Cannon ... would you care to guess at my current facebook status...
E.

Cannon Shell 06-18-2010 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 659545)
In other matters .... Cannon ... would you care to guess at my current facebook status...
G.

Cannon Shell 06-18-2010 11:30 PM
http://www.drf.com/misc/edit/johnhenry_lifetimepps.pdf

The Indomitable DrugS 06-18-2010 11:46 PM
Best Pal would have never been beat at Jefferson Downs as a 2-year-old ... nor missed the exacta nine straight times at Fairgrounds as a 3yo.

John Henry was as one of a kind as any horse during my lifetime ... shame I missed it all.


Indian Charlie 06-18-2010 11:56 PM
Hey Chucky, don't forget, not very many nice horses get to wait till they are almost four to make their debut.

I'm pretty sure had Z raced as heavily as BP did through her 4yo season, she'd have lost to many ordinary horses.

That was quite the impressive victory over Anabaa's Creation, I'll give you that!

South Beach Luv 06-19-2010 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 659552)
Best Pal would have never been beat at Jefferson Downs as a 2-year-old ... nor missed the exacta nine straight times at Fairgrounds as a 3yo.

John Henry was as one of a kind as any horse during my lifetime ... shame I missed it all.

I look at him everytime I lay down on my couch

DaTruth 06-19-2010 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 659552)
Best Pal would have never been beat at Jefferson Downs as a 2-year-old ... nor missed the exacta nine straight times at Fairgrounds as a 3yo.

John Henry was as one of a kind as any horse during my lifetime ... shame I missed it all.
Best Pal would never have been at JD as a 2yo.

Compared to the "new" Jefferson Downs (the old one was destroyed by a hurricane), the "old" Fair Grounds looked like Hialeah. JD was a bullring dump, but it had its charms.

Indian Charlie 06-19-2010 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 659469)
If he didn't go to a PAC 10 school ... you'd probably say Cannon is just an Easterner with a bias against Cal racing.
A bias against Cal racing in regards to a horse from California vs another horse from California?

I'm more likely to say he's just yanking our chains.

He can't really be that much of a smooth operator.

Cannon Shell 06-19-2010 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 659568)
A bias against Cal racing in regards to a horse from California vs another horse from California?

I'm more likely to say he's just yanking our chains.

He can't really be that much of a smooth operator.
Habitony was not a good synthetic sire

Indian Charlie 06-19-2010 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 659569)
Habitony was not a good synthetic sire
What about My Habitony?

CSC 06-19-2010 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Gaining Ground (Post 659370)
i dont know if you missed it or not but i asked a question in another thread and am curious about your thoughts. zenyatta is clearly the best synthetic runner we have seen. she might be the best synthetic runner we will ever see. until we are able to see more what is wrong with calling her the best synthetic runner of all time, but not one of the best of all time?

if american racing has historically been dirt and turf, why are some so quick to annoint greatness to a horse who has made 2 starts on one of the surfaces we determine greatness on? i know people want to say synthetics are here and i agree, they are.

tennis seems like a good analogy here. rafael nadal is the best clay court player, maybe ever. but, hes also beat the best on grass and hard court. so far zenyatta has beaten the equine quivalent of james blake on dirt and people want to compare her to rod laver.
I wouldn't object to people calling her the greatest horse of the synthetics era, this discussion has many layers, supposing she ran only on dirt and won those 17 races in a row, many would still question what she has beaten? I believe if she were able to capture the BCC this fall, one would have to be forced to look at her as one of the greatest in the game. I'm not sure what the naysayer would say then, but seeing how many do not want to put her in that select group, I'm sure something trivial will be produced, even if she answers the only question left in her career, beating males on dirt in the toughest dirt race in the world.

2 Dollar Bill 06-19-2010 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 658783)
The problem in a nutshell is that after 17 races we are still dealing with conjecture. If she were to run against so and so on a dry dirt track....If she were to ship east....if, if, if....
Didnt Bill P. say.... "" You are what your record is "" ?

ateamstupid 06-19-2010 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 2 Dollar Bill (Post 659676)
Didnt Bill P. say.... "" You are what your record is "" ?
I don't think any of Parcells' teams were playing against the NAIA 90% of the time.

PeteMugg 06-19-2010 03:16 PM
Isn't hyperbole the crux of the matter?

Cannon Shell 06-19-2010 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 659729)
I don't think any of Parcells' teams were playing against the NAIA 90% of the time.
Or playing 15 home games a year

hoovesupsideyourhead 06-19-2010 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 659545)
For those of us to young to remember any of John Henry's career ... Best Pal was very unique and one hell of a horse when he was on his game before injury and old age caught up... and pretty solid there after.

In other matters .... Cannon ... would you care to guess at my current facebook status...
hot mom?

dean smith 06-20-2010 04:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 659815)
Or playing 15 home games a year
Eh... aren't all the other horses she's beating also "at home"?

Patrick333 06-20-2010 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 658785)
By the way, I think the double standard is ridiculous. Zenyatta is going to go back east twice this year and yet people don't think that is enough.

Some of the New York horses never came out west. If one did come out west twice in a year, that would be considered a very ambitious campaign. Yet Zenyatta going back east twice this year is not enough.

I guess Zenyatta needs to fly back east 3 or 4 times this year. That would be a really smart way to get her to peak on BC day, just keep flying her back and forth from California to the east coast.
Some New York horses do go the Monmouth and Delaware. That's traveling isn't it? :)

fantini33 06-22-2010 03:58 PM
I'm late for whatever because of this thread....:)


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