Originally Posted by philcski

see bottom for NYB showcase day probables:
http://www.drf.com/news/article/79679.html

Originally Posted by philcski

see bottom for NYB showcase day probables:
http://www.drf.com/news/article/79679.html

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Ya gotta love the Muskrat Rumble.

Originally Posted by oracle80

I was alerted by two posters that you plaigerized my post on the stats of the juvy on another board. I'm not happy with you.

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I know what post you are talking about and I'm pretty sure if he was going to plagiarize it on another board that he wouldn't have posted the exact same thing in this thread. I think they were just coincidentally similar.

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Can u clue me in?

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Someone brought up the BC Juvenile curse on a thread on here a week or so back and Oracle replied with a post that included the list of all the horses that ran in the Juvy and went on to win Triple Crown races.

Originally Posted by Linny

While I was impressed with NoBiz' move into contention I really disliked the way he leaned into Pegasus Wind when they turned for home.

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

No doubt he is talented, but Mike cannot say that he was the best horse...that would be asonine....I haven't seen a two-year-old train in the mornings like Scat Daddy does since Afleet Alex....he's no fluke and very much deserves more credit than people give him....

NLS didn't lose that race...Scat Daddy won it

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I disagree with this completely. Since the BC series was started in 1984, runners out of the BCJ have had MUCH more success in the TC races than those from the Remsen. Consider this information:

Runners that ran 1-2-3 in the races and then won a Classic

Juvenile
Tank's Prospect
Spend a Buck
Alysheba (2)
Easy Goer
Tabasco Cat (2)
Timber Country
Editor's Note
Point Given (2)
Afleet Alex (2)

Remsen
Pine Bluff (also ran in the BC)
Go for Gin
Thunder Gulch (2)
Empire Maker

That's 9-4 in number of horses and 13-5 in number of Classic races won. This doesn't even include horses that ran in the BC that didn't hit the board but still won a Classic the following year. U could add Danzig Connection, Bet Twice, Go and Go, Pine Bluff, Sea Hero, Lemon Drop Kid. It also doesn't include a horse like Cat Thief, who went on the win the BC Classic the next year. It also doesn't include horses like Blumin Affair and Tejano Run who also finished on the board in the Derby. And if u look and see how many horses from both races went on to win grade ones the next year, the clear advantage is even more lopsided in favor of the BC Juvenile.

The point here is that for all this talk about a silly jinx (and it's hard to dispute the fact that no horse has won both yet), the BC Juvenile is a much better place to look for a 2yo that will go on to have success as a 3yo. Running in the BC does NOT mess up a 2yo for his 3yo season. If u've got a talented horse, run him. Skipping the BC because u think that's a better way to get to the Derby, a race six months down the line, is stupid. So much can and often does happen between now and then.

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Tell that to Tagg. It worked for FC, and Nick had bad luck with his horse...

There's no telling what can happen in the months to come, but there's also no telling what might happen in the BCJ. I probably would have done the same thing if I had some fragile two year olds who had a ton of potential. Who's to say that Eurosilver would have won or even done well in the BCJ anyway? That's why I think that cases of horses like Eurosilver aren't legitimate. Heck, FC might have won the BCJ and the Derby...who knows, but I would have rather won the Derby than the BCJ, and the decision paid off for Tagg. But it's not just the Derby. It's saving the horses from preventable injuries so they may race to their peak the following year. I'll leave the training job to the trainers because, most of the time, they make good decisions based upon each individual animal and each individual circumstance. Nick may not have made the wrong decision with his horses. It's an unknown factor because you don't know how his horses would have done in the BCJ, and whether or not they would have gotten injured in the BCJ that kept them from racing the following year anyway.

Originally Posted by Dixie Porter

It gets worse on here every day. These statements are far worse than calling some poster a "swine".

:mad:

Originally Posted by Dixie Porter

I have neve spoken to, or with TP. To me he is simply in another stratosphere. I've never seen anything like it before.

As far as Tagg/Smullen, No comment...............

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

Originally Posted by oracle80
"I was alerted by two posters that you plaigerized my post on the stats of the juvy on another board. I'm not happy with you."




get over yourself you big baby, besides you big dummy stats are factual information that can be accessed by anyone with half a brain, the mere fact you used the word plagarized to describe your displeasure speaks on how big your ego is and is a testament to how much of an ******* you can be.

Quit yer whinin!

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Yes, your horse can get hurt in any race at any time. But, the BCJ is harder on the two year olds than any other two year old race in the country. It is a simple fact that I don't see why anyone would argue because the figures are there.

No, I wouldn't abolish the BCJ (I actually like the race), but if I had a really, really promising two year old who looked like there was a ton of room for improvement and could get the classic distances, I would be damned if I would run my horse in that race because I know what it does to a lot of them.

And I can give you a ton of examples of horses that were injured in the race, retired, had problems throughout the rest of their careers because of that race, or were just never good again because of both mental and physical reasons specifically from running in that race. It is the two year old equivalent to the Derby, although the Derby carries much, much more weight. Both races ruin a ton of horses.

I believe that Tagg is the best trainer in the country with the quality of stock that he gets into his stable, and I believe that he makes very good decisions with his horses. I'll trust his judgment again.

Originally Posted by oracle80

This from a guy who doesn't have a drivers liscense and uses a BMW symbol as his avatar.
You'll pardon me if I take everything you say with a huge grain of salt won't you?