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Gander 05-06-2009 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by lemoncrush
Any word on charitable Man? Is he running this weekend in the Peter Pan instead?

Hes entered in the Peter Pan...

http://equibase.com/static/entry/BEL050909USA-EQB.html

Antitrust32 05-06-2009 04:58 PM

I think the answer to the favorite is Rachel Alexandra...

Hickory Hill Hoff 05-06-2009 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander

Is this is the earliest that race has ever been run? Isn't usually Memorial Day weekend or the week before? This is before the Preakness :eek:

ateamstupid 05-06-2009 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff
Is this is the earliest that race has ever been run? Isn't usually Memorial Day weekend or the week before? This is before the Preakness :eek:

No, it used to be run on Preakness Day, but last year they moved it to the week before. I'm guessing because trainers didn't like only having three weeks before the Belmont.

Hickory Hill Hoff 05-06-2009 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
No, it used to be run on Preakness Day, but last year they moved it to the week before. I'm guessing because trainers didn't like only having three weeks before the Belmont.

It's only been run then just the last few years, ten years ago and back it was run on Memorial Day weekend.

philcski 05-06-2009 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Oh my God.

He actually said something that made sense for the first time in, ever. Give him some credit here.

ateamstupid 05-06-2009 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
He actually said something that made sense for the first time in, ever. Give him some credit here.

Yeah but he said it like the TG guys called the winner. I'm pretty sure this is what they said:

"was relatively slow at two, and finally moved forward last time. There is nothing wrong with this pattern, and with rest he has a good chance to run a new top now -- but he would need an enormous jump to be competitive."

Danzig 05-06-2009 07:52 PM

coa had a choice of mounts, opting to remain with musket man over big drama, who will now have jonnie v in the irons.

philcski 05-06-2009 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Yeah but he said it like the TG guys called the winner. I'm pretty sure this is what they said:

"was relatively slow at two, and finally moved forward last time. There is nothing wrong with this pattern, and with rest he has a good chance to run a new top now -- but he would need an enormous jump to be competitive."

Correct- TG guys were well off the mark, as most of us were, but I didn't get that out of what he wrote. He just stated that TG at least predicted a decent run whereas he was the consensus choice to finish last.

In fact, I said he was even money to finish last. :o

horseofcourse 05-07-2009 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Just so I'm clear, Gales are saying that maybe the connections weren't trying in the Sunland races, so they could cash in big in the Derby?

I think it is quite apparent the connections had no intention of running in the Derby. They bought the horse with hopes of running in the lucrative Sunland 3 yr old raced focusing on the Sunland Derby and if all went well there perhaps the Belmont Stakes. There was great uproar over Dunkirk's 150,000 graded earnings not being enough. At the start of 2009, with the 138,000 graded earnings of Mine That Bird I'm sure the connections weren't thinking that was enough and they made no attempt to run in a graded race. For anyone to say they weren't trying in the Sunland races is absolutely nuts. Those races were the reason they purchased the horse. A win in the Sunland Derby would have earned them more than what they paid for him.

Once the calvacade of injuries started...lo and behold they actually had enough graded earnings to get in the Derby and the legendary left footed drive to Louisville commenced. Their only goal in the Derby was to not get embarrased and finish top 10 and do enough to move on to the Belmont Stakes. Things changed.

Antitrust32 05-07-2009 08:09 AM

while its obvious this will be Rachel Alexandra's toughest race ever...

I wonder what her racing style will be with Big Drama and speed in that race... Hope she doesnt get caught up in a speed duel and fades.. but she might even be good enough to be in a speed duel and still put them away and win by open lengths.

gales0678 05-07-2009 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
while its obvious this will be Rachel Alexandra's toughest race ever...

I wonder what her racing style will be with Big Drama and speed in that race... Hope she doesnt get caught up in a speed duel and fades.. but she might even be good enough to be in a speed duel and still put them away and win by open lengths.

lori if there is a wicked speed duel why wouldn't MTB be able to come off the pace and beat her ?

Antitrust32 05-07-2009 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by gales0678
lori if there is a wicked speed duel why wouldn't MTB be able to come off the pace and beat her ?


didnt she sit just off the pace in the Oaks...

hopefully she relaxes in this race and doesnt get caught up.

to be honest I dont think Pimlico fits MTB's style and even if the speed got caught up someone else would probably win...

Unless of course the track is made of soup again.

JerseyJ 05-07-2009 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by gales0678
lori if there is a wicked speed duel why wouldn't MTB be able to come off the pace and beat her ?

Because Mine That Bird isn't that good of a horse when he's not running in the mud, saving ground with a rail skimming ride by Borel. Borel rode the horse perfectly on that day. Chances are the horse is no where near as good as he showed last week and will never run to that level again without the optimal setup that he received last week. I guess he could but others are more likelier.

gales0678 05-07-2009 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by JerseyJ
Because Mine That Bird isn't that good of a horse when he's not running in the mud, saving ground with a rail skimming ride by Borel. Borel rode the horse perfectly on that day. Chances are the horse is no where near as good as he showed last week and will never run to that level again without the optimal setup that he received last week. I guess he could but others are more likelier.


i hear what you are saying but the fractions in the preakness with RA and Big Drama could be just as quick , why wouldn't that help a horse that comes off the pace , assuming that's what the connections tell the new jock to do?

if the race falls apart because of pace , why can't he win again, if he runs back to his new top

don't 3 yr olds usually pair up? he ran two low 80's at Sunland , now he has a 105 off track or not why are we to believe that he can't repeat that beyer effort?

philcski 05-07-2009 11:17 AM

There is a monkey wrench in the RA to Preakness plan that just occurred to me. Since she needs to be supplemented, she will automatically be LAST on the preference list. If 14 go, she could be excluded. It's highly unlikely, but possible given the Derby results.

XIIPointStables 05-07-2009 11:22 AM

Didn't see this here - FF is a go.

http://www.drf.com/news/article/103575.html

philcski 05-07-2009 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Well, I was way wrong about this one. I'm shocked.

I think Coach had this one right- it ain't his foot that's ailing, it's Jones' ego.

SniperSB23 05-07-2009 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
There is a monkey wrench in the RA to Preakness plan that just occurred to me. Since she needs to be supplemented, she will automatically be LAST on the preference list. If 14 go, she could be excluded. It's highly unlikely, but possible given the Derby results.

That would be really interesting and I wonder if a trainer of a contender would consider entering another horse or two just to shut her out.


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