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10 pnt move up 10-12-2008 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ELA
That's a very good point and I think that certainly will have a lot to do with it. However, I don't know the exact #'s, but I said what I said knowing that some # of horses will have a "home field advantage" so to speak. I wouldn't be shocked if Casino Drive won -- again with an extreme anomaly, field falling apart, etc. However, if several of the key contenders (and that might remain to seen until they load) show up and run their race, I don't see him there. Could I see using him on a super ticket? Yeah, maybe, if others don't warrant the play. I just think it's more possible than probable, and not very.

Eric
Horses lose alot more due to their style rather then if they handle the track. Its a nice talking point though.

the_fat_man 10-12-2008 10:30 PM
I see we're still FIXATED on the DIRT superior to POLY position.

Yet, while handicapping OSA presently, I can't help noticing how so many horses are able to go from the poly at DMR to the dirt of FPX and then the poly of OSA. And quite a few of them are adept on the turf as well. These must be extremely unique animals.

Seems to me that (DIRT) handicappers have more trouble with poly than horses do.

When I play different tracks I need to make adjustments; changes in surface or otherwise.

The Bid 10-12-2008 10:33 PM
You guys are right, since when does the surface make any difference.

Betsy 10-12-2008 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig
at least when the big brown goo-goos go googoo, it's over graded wins....gimme a break.
I don't get it. The horse is a nice horse and he runs a nice race; no one is saying he's going to win the Classic. Why do you have a problem if people think he ran well today...? Again, I don't see anyone going over the top with this. I'm not trying to be defensive - I just don't get the antagonism towards this horse.

Danzig 10-12-2008 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Betsy
I don't get it. The horse is a nice horse and he runs a nice race; no one is saying he's going to win the Classic. Why do you have a problem if people think he ran well today...? Again, I don't see anyone going over the top with this. I'm not trying to be defensive - I just don't get the antagonism towards this horse.
and i don't get why you're so concerned about my opinion, or why you get so defensive-or think lack of enthusiasm equates antagonism? yay, he won an optional claimer.
and i do believe i've seen some posts on here in day's past saying this horse would have a say in the classic. hilarious.

RollerDoc 10-12-2008 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig
at least when the big brown goo-goos go googoo, it's over graded wins....gimme a break.
Hey! I resemble that comment.

letswastemoney 10-13-2008 12:14 AM
He has good tactical speed. He's going to sit right off the leaders and if it's a fast pace, he'll get first run on them.

hrfan 10-13-2008 01:45 AM
i think he has a legit shot, i wont be using brown or curlin on anything....
you have to use casino, go between and tiago IMO

letswastemoney 10-13-2008 02:21 AM
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Originally Posted by hrfan
i think he has a legit shot, i wont be using brown or curlin on anything....
you have to use casino, go between and tiago IMO
Yeah! Tiago ftw!

hrfan 10-13-2008 03:06 AM
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Originally Posted by letswastemoney
Yeah! Tiago ftw!
FTW ?

Danzig 10-13-2008 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by hrfan
FTW ?
i'm assuming that's for the win. if so, i would agree with hossy.

Danzig 10-13-2008 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by hrfan
i think he has a legit shot, i wont be using brown or curlin on anything....
you have to use casino, go between and tiago IMO

:rolleyes:


if casino drive didn't have two belmont winners as his siblings, everyone would be laughing their asses off at this horse and his hapless connections. but since he has better than honour as his mama, he suddenly has a shot-a legitimate shot?? and then i have to read how zenyatta is too lightly raced to attempt a shot as the classic as well.....we're nothing if not consistent on here. :zz:

cowgirlintexas 10-13-2008 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by hrfan
i think he has a legit shot, i wont be using brown or curlin on anything....
you have to use casino, go between and tiago IMO
Why on earth would any smart handicapper leave off either of those 2?

zippyneedsawin 10-13-2008 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by cowgirlintexas
Why on earth would any smart handicapper leave off either of those 2?
I may consider it. Both will be HUGE underlays... especially considering the conditions they'll be running in. It all depends on the type of bet you're making and how much you are risking.

letswastemoney 10-13-2008 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Danzig
i'm assuming that's for the win. if so, i would agree with hossy.
for the women ;)

Indian Charlie 10-13-2008 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
In the Land of the Blind the One Eyed Man is King.
Great book.

philcski 10-13-2008 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Maybe I am in the minority and i didn't read Pricci's article but running Zenyatta in the Classic isnt really that bad of an idea is it? I understand they have Tiago but she could sweep to horse of the year if she were to win the race couldnt she? She is proven over the surface unlike the other main contenders so she certainly has the home field advantage. I dont think that her going in the Classic would draw more than 12 extra fans or coverage and I dont think it would have any "effect on the sport" but I would be interested to see how she matches up against the big boys.
I'm with you, I don't think it's a stretch at all to run her. She'd be 3rd or 4th choice, at worst, for a $5mm race.

VOL JACK 10-13-2008 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by philcski
I'm with you, I don't think it's a stretch at all to run her. She'd be 3rd or 4th choice, at worst, for a $5mm race.
If Curlins' connections decide to pass, it's going to be the weakest Classic field ever. Id give it a shot if I owned her. That being said, if Curlin goes Id stick with the Distaff.

smuthg 10-13-2008 02:41 PM
I thought this was a great line from Crist's piece...

"With or without Curlin and the others, it's the best and busiest racing and wagering event of the year. I plan to handicap and bet until it hurts."

Yeah, I don't like that its on "Pro-Ride" or that they've split the card into two unnecessary days, or that some of the best horses aren't running, but I think its still a great event and look forward to it every year, even this year.


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