The one that really hurt was when Fitzgerald ran over Woodson in the endzone at the same time Jenkins was being held and tackled into Warner while receiving a roughing the passer penalty.

However, when you play D like GB did, you can't bitch about the refereeing

Ya, that was very a bad non call. I'm not saying GB didnt deserve to lose, their defense was atrocious, but equally as bad were the refs performance.
Shitty way to end what was an awesome 2nd half of action.

I didn't get how the refs missed the call on Fitzgerald, nor the blatant personal foul calls on either of the last two offensive plays for the Packers. Then again, if Aaron Rodgers hadn't kicked the ball in the air, allowing Gansby to pick up the ball before it hit the turf, Green Bay is punting on fourth and whatever because that last play was absolutely, 100 percent the definition of the tuck rule.

Viking love ending this week.

Marty is a Giants fan I think and you bring up the Bears.

Sigh on Packer fans, always focused on a real team :zz: :rolleyes:

Cowboys and Vikings...Like Hitler vs Musselini for me...Hate 'em both

Maybe the dome will collapse under the weight of all that snow



kidding..umm

Good summary of game and season

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/pos...run-out-of-gas

How about the DPOY Woodson falling down TWICE on Fitzgerald touchdowns, then allowing Rackers to get 15 yards closer by going for the ball instead of the tackle? What a playmaker.

Sorry Bob.

I know man...too much ball hawking and not enough tackling..mentioned that above too. Basic coverage skills went out the window and they just went for the strip every time

Believe it or not, I'd rather play Philly than AZ. Their big weakness now with Al Harris out is teams that play 3 wide outs and make the Packers play in the nickel. Their offense can play with anyone now, but the D is still vulnerable if Kurt Warner goes off like Rothleisberger did yesterday.

My post from 12/20...sorry I was right

As long as the Cardinals bring their refs to NO, they have a puncher's chance. Good god, those refs should have been wearing Cardinal jerseys yesterday. They reminded me of the crooked umpire in the movie Naked Gun.

Just because Asante Samuel is going to the Pro Bowl doesnt mean ANYONE should try to play like him.

The most overrated corner in the league and maybe the worst tackler I've ever seen.

Woodson..overated? Is that what you are saying?

Sure there were a the few bad calls but the Cards hung 50 on the board. At some point maybe you should point the finger at the Packers D, they had a little more to with the result.

wrong

i am a jets fan going back to the walt michaels day

i don't root against the giants , but , i'm not doing cartwheels for them either when they win

That was a tough loss and a wild and crazy ride yesterday. I guess the good news is that even if the pack won there is no way they could have gone all the way and won the superbowl. Refs sucked, but if you only force one punt you don't deserve to win. This season was great for Rodgers who learned a lot throughout the year and the D had way too many injuries. I guess I start cheering for NO now.

I never said the Packs lost because of the refs I just said the refs were terrible. If I did my job half that bad, I'd be unemployed before the end of the day. The Packer's defense was horrible and thats why they lost the game. But it is pretty amazing how close the game ended up being, even with such a bad defensive performance by a team with such a solid defense.

no Asante Samuel is overrated.

Woodson is great.

Woodson is pretty great and so too is the horse Wolfson, who won a race last weekend at Aqu. He just got up to beat Missile Motor, who has been in very goood form.

When a QB like Warner is that "on", there really isnt a whole lot a defense can do. You can't really bring more pressure because he gets rid of the ball so quickly and you cant lay back in coverage or he will dissect you underneath.

The answer to zone blitz pressure schemes is to go empty and spread five wide and then pound the ball when the defense has to switch to dime to cover it. First Oakland with Gannon and New England with Brady would carve up the Pitt defense in the early part of the last decade with this tactic. There really is no answer when the QB is that precise. On some plays, the coverage was perfect and he was still getting the ball in there somehow. Its not like guys were ten yards open and warner had all day.

At the end of the day, the Zona defense made a couple of more plays. At the same time, I think yesterday was more about great offense than bad defense. There are times when offenses are just unstoppable.

my all time favorite thread!

greatest post ever....EVER!!!! EVER!!!!!

So in the end was the whole Favre saga a giant success, a dismal failure, or somewhere in between? Favre certainly exceeded my expectations and had a really good season leading his team to a first round bye. On the other hand, he didn't get to the Super Bowl, he Favred it in the end costing his team a chance at attempting a game winning FG, and does anyone really believe with their schedule that they wouldn't have been a playoff team without Favre? Now they go into next season with just as uncertain a QB situation as they were in this year. They'll have to endure an offseason of "will Favre be back" and are no closer to knowing whether Travaris Jackson will be a serviceable NFL QB. I tend to think it was more a success than a failure since they made the NFC Championship but once they got Favre it was pretty much Super Bowl or bust so in that respect it was a failure.

Also, do people think Childress will/should be canned? I think he should be, that was one of the most poorly coached games I have ever seen, but I don't think he will be.

I agree that Favre had a tremendous year...hopefully he won't string out the Vikes like he did last year. They came very close to winning that game, but there were plenty of miscues by both teams. I think Childress will be back, but he better get an infusion of creativity before next season.

I think Favre had an incredible year and elevated a questionable rookie (Harvin) and two mediocre receivers ( Berrian and Rice) to career years. The throws he made and the leadership he brought to that team was the reason for their success and if he retires next year (and I hope he drags that decision out forever), the Vikings will be lucky to be .500.

I also think that Childress' timeout management and play calling in that game, and specifically the 4th quarter, needs to be talked about. And who takes responsibility for 12 men in the huddle? As bad as Favre's pick was, it should never have come down to them needing to throw on third down.

A dismal failure.
They were the better team yesterday and basically gave the game away. Between the turnovers and the terrible coaching they pretty much gave the game to the Saints. I don't think he will be canned, but I think he should be. What happened there in the last 2 1/2 minutes is unforgiveable.
I thought Favre played great yesterday. Took a beating and made some great throws. As far as the pick goes, yes it was a bad decision but the terrible coaching put him in a spot where he needed to get them back into FG range. The guy was trying to make a play from a position that the conservative coaching (all of a sudden) and terrible penalty put him into.

since we now get another 6 months of this just like we did in 2009, 2008, 2007, 2006, 2005....it was a massive success. Massive. It's already starting, and we all need this "what will Favre do" exercise for our national health. As much as it pains me, Favre was great this year. Great. They were as close to the Super Bowl as you can possibly be.

I honestly don't think you can blame Childress for the 5 turnovers which could have easily been 7 turnovers yesterday.

Huge success. Favre played great all year and forced a throw because they made a huge blunder with the 12 men in the huddle penalty. If they don't get that penalty, they don't throw on 3rd down, they pick up a couple yards rushing and have a manageable 45 yard field goal for a good kicker to go to the Super Bowl. Yeah it was a Favre moment but my hats off to him, he played great all year. If he stays, Minnesota will be right there next year.

That said, I have a bet with Kevin on the Saints to win the NFC from week 2 so I'm happy to collect and will be rooting for them in the Super Bowl.

Part of that could just be the schedule. They play the AFC East and NFC East next year (1st and 4th in the Sagarin) as opposed to the AFC North and NFC West (5th and 8th in the Sagarin). That could easily be 2-4 extra losses.

I can certainly blame him for putting Percy Harvin in at RB instead of Chester Taylor when Harvin coughed it up.

I don't get the criticism of Childress yesterday. Peterson ran for 125 yesterday....they should have run him on 1st and 2nd down from the 33 that last drive. He gets 5 yards, it's easy Longwell range...easy. Perhaps the 12 men was his fault, but the two runs on 1st and 2nd down was absolutely the right thing to do.

I could care less about that. That's like saying he should never, ever play Peterson because he is a fumble machine, and playing him is a coaching error. I have no problem with Childress trying to get the ball to Harvin any way he can.

Percy Harvin didnt do anything this year that he didnt do last year at FL.

He was by far the best football player on the field for FL's 2008 championship, and underrated in the draft because of behavior issues and maybe a lack of wonderlick smarts.

He's the only player on the Vikings that I like!

He had a lot of question marks though going in and could have easily gone either way I think

I think he was a steal for the Vikings.

Would love him on the Eagles though I am plenty satisfied with Maclin and wouldnt trade Maclin for Harvin.. though I find them very similar.

After the season, absolutely a steal

i agree.
hope the saints win for my husbands sake...but the colts are going to be harder to beat than the vikes.

true story....colts won't make mistakes on O/D to the tune of the Vikes.
I like both teams...should be a great game.

see post below




BTW....Leave the SIZZURP (Codeine Cough syrup + soda + a jolly rancher) as a brotha' thing (just saying.) Everything can't be multi-cultural.

1) Lost the toss going into OT.

2) Shouldn't have that stupid rule (1st team to score wins the game.)

3) Kicker should of knocked it out of the end zone (instead, a tired team has to cover a return.)

4) Really bad P.I. call in OT (really points out why OT shouldn't be won by the 1st team to get a field goal.)

5) Didn't get the call on a a questionable catch in OT. I've seen that go either way. To me, it's a catch, but often it's not (to them.)

6) Some fool didn't have his hands in the proper position to receive the hand-off from Farve (after the Bush Blunder.) Yep, there's that 3 points that turned out to be rather necessary.

7) Should you really expect a Q.B. to be able to win a game when his team is not taking care of the football at all?

8) How about giving the Saints some credit for pounding him? It's pretty predictable that a hurt Q.B. will be one who makes an important mistake. Fact is he got them to a tie, and then he never got a chance to play in O.T. He made some really nice passes to get them into Saints territory on that last drive. He played a lot better than I expected. The rest of his team played a little worse than I expected. Saints didn't play very well. If they cover like that, then Manning will destroy them.