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kentuckyrosesinmay 03-17-2008 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by ELA
Chuck -- I've stayed out of this discussion on purpose, by design. However, I no longer can. Please, I absolutely and emphatically say to you "Please" -- please do not confuse nonsensical rantings and ravings, claims and BS with your facts.

In addition, a person such as yourself -- one who completely understands the facts -- who has a qualified opinion on matters such as these, who can have an educated discussion on these types of matters, can speak to these types of things, etc. -- you have no place here in this conversation.

Let's not let logic, common sense and facts creep into this type of conversation.

Now that we've gotten that out of the way -- let the lunacy continue.

Eric
Actually, I appreciate the facts and like listening to what Chuck has to say about these kinds of things. I don't know that much about the guys on the East Coast so...

Danzig 03-18-2008 06:32 PM
lapenta spoke out about war pass, his comments about the fever, etc...


http://tcm.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=44141

i suggest that anyone who came at lapenta/zito with guns blazing for running a 'sick' horse read the above.

The Indomitable DrugS 03-18-2008 06:48 PM
Here's a lovely quote from the Haskin article:

“I had 25 family members there and everyone was having a great time,” LaPenta said. “When the horse walked past the stands he looked like Adonis; he was gorgeous.

That's right - yesterday Haskin runs a piece with a LaPenta quote from last Thursday where he compared him to the 1977 Wood Memorial winner.

Today Haskin runs a piece with a LaPenta quote from after the race where he compares him with the 1999 Wood Memorial winner.

Adonis might have been the worst Wood winner ever!

In all seriousness, all this War Pass stuff is getting real old. Unless it's Roger Stein who is being quoted, I just don't care to read it anymore.

Coach Pants 03-18-2008 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Here's a lovely quote from the Haskin article:

“I had 25 family members there and everyone was having a great time,” LaPenta said. “When the horse walked past the stands he looked like Adonis; he was gorgeous.

That's right - yesterday Haskin runs a piece with a LaPenta quote from last Thursday where he compared him to the 1977 Wood Memorial winner.

Today Haskin runs a piece with a LaPenta quote from after the race where he compares him with the 1999 Wood Memorial winner.

Adonis might have been the worst Wood winner ever!

In all seriousness, all this War Pass stuff is getting real old. Unless it's Roger Stein who is being quoted, I just don't care to read it anymore.
...

He was comparing the horse to mythical Adonis.

The Indomitable DrugS 03-18-2008 07:31 PM
Good to know the "in all seriousness" part was missed.

RolloTomasi 03-18-2008 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Good to know the "in all seriousness" part was missed.
He was probably too enraptured with his own reflection to read the whole thing.

Or was that the greedy dog with the bone?

Danzig 03-18-2008 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi
He was probably too enraptured with his own reflection to read the whole thing.

Or was that the greedy dog with the bone?
i thought that was narcissus.

actually, if i was going to give mr. lapenta a hard time, it would be for saying a horse looked like adonis-that sounds kind of cheesy. hell, bad enough he's saying the horse looked like slew, now he's saying he looked like an immortal...what next?!?!:)

RolloTomasi 03-18-2008 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig
i thought that was narcissus
No, Narcissus thought he was Adonis and drowned when he saw that his reflection was really that of an ugly hillbilly.

Either that, or Narcissus was the Greek name for Adonis...or maybe he was Adonis' boyfriend.

I'm not really sure, but I'm getting reports recently that Moses was high on hallucinogens when he wrote all this sh!t down on the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Coach Pants 03-18-2008 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Good to know the "in all seriousness" part was missed.
Oh...


Won't happen again. I'm getting my gong out of the attic.

Danzig 03-18-2008 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi
No, Narcissus thought he was Adonis and drowned when he saw that his reflection was really that of an ugly hillbilly.

Either that, or Narcissus was the Greek name for Adonis...or maybe he was Adonis' boyfriend.

I'm not really sure, but I'm getting reports recently that Moses was high on hallucinogens when he wrote all this sh!t down on the Dead Sea Scrolls.

lol

it's been a while since i've read my bulfinch, so you're probably right about all that.

Danzig 03-18-2008 08:17 PM
http://horseracing.sportsline.com/cb...rticleId=26129

zito speaks out in the above about war pass...but it also has updates on several other horses heading down the derby trail.

KirisClown 03-18-2008 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Adonis might have been the worst Wood winner ever!
That spot is reserved for Tapit...

Danzig 03-18-2008 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by KirisClown
That spot is reserved for Tapit...
i think buddha could give tapit a run for that spot. tapit did manage the laurel futurity as well.
but it's close.

cmorioles 03-18-2008 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig
i think buddha could give tapit a run for that spot. tapit did manage the laurel futurity as well.
but it's close.
Buddha? He was good, if short lived. He would have been the Derby favorite. Tapit is unopposed in this pseudo contest.

outofthebox 03-18-2008 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig
i think buddha could give tapit a run for that spot. tapit did manage the laurel futurity as well.
but it's close.
Budha outran a very game Medaglia D'oro. Unfortunately he suffered a career ending injury just days before the Ky Derby. He was legit...

Danzig 03-18-2008 09:47 PM
i just think a good horse should have more than one good race to show why he's a good horse. the wood is buddhas one and only, isn't it?
but i do agree tapit was pretty bad!

outofthebox 03-18-2008 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig
i just think a good horse should have more than one good race to show why he's a good horse. the wood is buddhas one and only, isn't it?
but i do agree tapit was pretty bad!
yes it was his only stakes win after jumping up from a allw at Gp in which he ran a faster race on the same card as the Florida Derby.

cmorioles 03-18-2008 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig
i just think a good horse should have more than one good race to show why he's a good horse. the wood is buddhas one and only, isn't it?
but i do agree tapit was pretty bad!
He was 3 for 3, and his first two were monster wins in a MSW and an ALW race. He won both by open lengths and with big figures, a 96 and a 106 in the ALW.

KirisClown 03-18-2008 10:28 PM
A couple of Buddha's races...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGlqAczVO84

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bmmpnhnTwc

AeWingnut 03-20-2008 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Danzig
http://horseracing.sportsline.com/cb...rticleId=26129

zito speaks out in the above about war pass...but it also has updates on several other horses heading down the derby trail.
it really bothers me that a horse pays $76 to show and the trifecta isn't even tax money. Either some very smart people or someone knew that War Pass wasn't going to run 4th. The super didn't pay a whole helluva lot.

yet Zito found nothing run at all.

the horse is just one of those favorites that has to have absolutely everything go their way or they throw in the towel.

Bystander 03-20-2008 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi
I'm not really sure, but I'm getting reports recently that Moses was high on hallucinogens when he wrote all this sh!t down on the Dead Sea Scrolls.
;)

jms62 03-20-2008 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by AeWingnut
it really bothers me that a horse pays $76 to show and the trifecta isn't even tax money. Either some very smart people or someone knew that War Pass wasn't going to run 4th. The super didn't pay a whole helluva lot.

yet Zito found nothing run at all.

the horse is just one of those favorites that has to have absolutely everything go their way or they throw in the towel.
I think the main reason for this is the number of horses and the number of true contenders in the race. You can easily make a case that only 3 horses had a shot in this race for win and place. A 3x3 x All 1.00 tri cost 30 bucks not alot for a low risk wager. As far as the Super a 3 x 3 x All x All cost 120 for a buck and 12.00 for a dime. I'm sure a lot of Dime players canibalized the pot. IMHO Supers are paying way less since dime Supers came into play of course I will get an argument but have no way of backing up my claim since I don't have the data to compare. It is simply my observation.

AeWingnut 03-20-2008 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by jms62
I think the main reason for this is the number of horses and the number of true contenders in the race. You can easily make a case that only 3 horses had a shot in this race for win and place. A 3x3 x All 1.00 tri cost 30 bucks not alot for a low risk wager. As far as the Super a 3 x 3 x All x All cost 120 for a buck and 12.00 for a dime. I'm sure a lot of Dime players canibalized the pot. IMHO Supers are paying way less since dime Supers came into play of course I will get an argument but have no way of backing up my claim since I don't have the data to compare. It is simply my observation.
the one thing you don't get with dimes is the *ALL* payoffs, that you used to see often. There are still monster payoffs just not as often. But racing is helped with the dimes. They get more handle and therefore more percentages. People wouldn't try if they had to spend the $24 everytime
but $2.40
not a problem


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