I don't hold the Keeneland race too much against him because of the pace of that race, they were all up and on a strong pace and he may have moved too early. It was his first two turn race. Borel kept him back a bit more in the BC and it worked better for him. I think that is the style that he will continue to employ.

The Keeneland race was a pretty remarkable performance and surely showed that Street Sense can perform well under adverse circumstances. I really recommend watching that race again. He had the worst of trips and still almost won.

Here's the Trakus information from the Keeneland race:

Finish pgm # PP distance (ft.) diff from winner

1 2 2 Great Hunter 5,673.3
2 1 1 Circular Quay 5,663.7 -9.6
3 7 7 Street Sense 5,711.8 +38.5
4 5 5 Birdbirdistheword 5,671.1 -2.2
5 6 6 Passport 5,681.0 +7.7
6 8 8 Bold Start 5,687.7 +14.4
7 4 4 Teuflesberg 5,661.2 -12.1
8 3 3 French Transition 5,642.1 -31.2



Everybody feeling better now?

Rail runner, my ass. He moved too soon and he was widest of all. What else did he need to do?

Now, THIS was a giant race.

His two strongest results also happen to be his last two outings. Couldn't just be that he's getting better could it? If you know a horse is fine going up through the inside, surely it could just be a combination of a good ride plus a horse with a good head on its shoulders. My point is sure you could think the horse likes being down there but it could also quite possibly be that it's a general professionalism rather than a preference by the horse. I don't think 2 races justifies a trend. I think the 'rail's the shortest distance' is completely viable here if it's obviously going to be a catfight to the end and you know the horse's gonna do it, like it or not. You save ground because every inch matters. I don't think he needed the rail in the Juvenile but hey if it's there, again, why not?

I just feel this idea that it's a misconception of race dynamics is only a viable way of thinking if either the rail's dead or the horse doesn't like being on the inside. If the rail's fine and the horse is talented and doesn't have a problem with it, why would any other course of action be as good? Or should I say good enough to opt out of it deliberately.

I know you're desperate for any argument you can find, and you have certainly shown on this board and PaceAdvantage a pathetic need to try and contradict me, but perhaps you should read all my posts in this thread before embarrassing yourself anymore. Not that I care....as the vast majority of your posts only expose your simplistic and childlike understanding of trips. That is, of course, when you aren't just trolling for a fight.

Here's my most recent post in this thread.....



One thing is for sure, it's a good thing you don't bet ( yes, sportsfans, the Fat Man brags about not betting on another board ).

You seem to be arguing a point with me that I didn't make. I never made a conclusive statement, and just offered a possibility, and never even remotely suggested what you said in the first paragraph was not the case.

I am open to as many possibilities as I can imagine. However, it never hurts to at least accept the possibility that something demonstrated MAY be true. That's all.

Everything is a personal attack to you. Can't handle the data?
Can it also possibly be the case that I have a different opinion than you do?
Exuse MOI, for voicing it.

You're wrong often enough. So am I.


We don't need theories at this point, we can just enjoy these horses.

I watch alot of races, so I like to have the facts represented as they are.

How are we doing on identifying lead changes: Picked that up yet?

"he found trouble on the rail"

Perhaps if you weren't agreeing with my most recent post your idiotic attack wouldn't have been quite as obvious.

attack on what? I merely posted data that casts doubt on your theory that the horse doesn't do its best running on the outside; didn't win the race but certainly ran the best race.

but you already had that information cause you bet the horse in the Juvenile, remember?

so what are you getting pissed about?

In the Thorograph ROTW, they actually predicted Curlin would bounce. First off, since he had one start, how the hell could they know how much potential this horse had?

Second, he had SIX WEEKS of rest. Exactly how long does a horse need to be off not to bounce? Three months? Six? A year? This crazy notion of "the bounce", which are nearly always just another convenient trainer excuse, are very bad for racing in general. It is a big part of why we have 5 horses stakes races all the time.

Hey fat man,
I think you need to read again the post again that got you all worked up. What exactly does blackthroatedwind say in this post? He says he is "concerned" and that he thinks the horse is "perhaps" a horse that does his best running inside. He isn't knocking the horse, but bringing up a legitimate question. If he had come on here and posted, "Street Sense is a fraud, he can ONLY win with a rail trip," that would have been a different story.
Your argument seems to be that it is not even worth considering that his last two big performances have come on the rail. That does not make sense to me. Almost everything that happens in a horse's race career is worth considering.....especially something like this.

On the other hand, the notion of "bounce" is a good thing for bettors savvy enough to recognize nonsense.

--Dunbar

Good point, I guess I love the bounce.

Trakus, the new technology, the new info, termed as cutting edge--with its bouncing balls of saddle cloth colors traveling the oval above each horse.

In regard to this boondoggle of stats, as vital as they may seem to you, keep 'em.

Equibase charts, I assure you, are not in danger of being replaced.

Bellamy Road was injured in that race I believe (made his next start in the travers and ran an excellent 2nd). He also finished 7th in the derby - which was very good considering he was injured and was pushing a fast pace, i believe closing argument was close to that pace also and was the only horse that outlasted bellamy road to the wire (from the pace).

I still think that Bellamy Road was one of the most (if not THE most) talented horses of that crop. It's a shame he couldn't stay sound.