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Merlinsky 06-18-2015 11:26 PM

http://www.tmz.com/2015/06/18/julia-...rican-pharoah/

Apparently Julia Roberts is a fan. Took me aback for some reason but she's got a ranch and has ridden horses for things so I guess it shouldn't have. Also she was 33 when she won the Oscar? Geez. She's one of those people that even when she was younger she always seemed older.

DonGuido 06-19-2015 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by knickslions2 (Post 1031718)
I wonder who will challenge him there if he goes. Most likely a small field. I would think Carpe Diem maybe would go but not sure else.

Or better to say what horse will be running with him. He may be "challenged" by a few older but even that is questionable unless he has an off day. At 9 to 10 furlongs who could beat him if he runs his normal race?

Merlinsky 06-19-2015 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DonGuido (Post 1032017)
Or better to say what horse will be running with him. He may be "challenged" by a few older but even that is questionable unless he has an off day. At 9 to 10 furlongs who could beat him if he runs his normal race?

That's what's crazy and why the TC seemed certain somehow. How is anybody good enough? He wouldn't fold on any normal day. I wonder what the press would be doing with it if he'd won that first maiden attempt and been undefeated. It might help that he's not so there isn't some 'Is this the day he loses?' drama.

DonGuido 06-19-2015 07:57 PM

I've said it here before and I'll say it again . . . I don't think we've seen his best yet and the months coming up will tell us just how super this super horse is.

letswastemoney 06-20-2015 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DonGuido (Post 1032017)
Or better to say what horse will be running with him. He may be "challenged" by a few older but even that is questionable unless he has an off day. At 9 to 10 furlongs who could beat him if he runs his normal race?

Even Secretariat lost against older horses. American Pharoah could lose against them too.

Against 3 year olds though, he's invincible.

jnunan4759 06-20-2015 10:55 PM

I think it's definitely Haskell and PA Derby. I know Steve doesn't like it, but it worked for Bob last year.

Maybe if he does go there we can emphasize the horrible 29% trifecta takeout. It's robbery. I thought it was the state, but after a year of calling my state rep found out that the state only takes 2.5% of ANY bet. The rest of the thievery is by the track and the PTHA. No big surprise when you realize the Horsemen's Assoc. is run by lawyers in shiny suits.

Thievery, plain and simple. 26.5% of your trifecta ticket off the top. 13% for me, Bob Green and 13% for you, Mike Balezzi. Let's go out and buy some shiny suits.

Do either of those two have any shame ? That's awful to do to people, especially horseplayers. I couldn't sleep at night.

PARX is a corrupt organization, always has been. It's a Lebanese money laundering operation and always has been. I knew it but raced there because there was nowhere else. I raced at Penn Nat, but that's even more corrupt.

jnunan4759 06-21-2015 12:33 AM

I remember back in the late 1990's that I was told Philadelphia Park had never paid any US taxes. I was told that they were in such dire straits they had to take an 18% mortgage and the the only one who would do that was the cousin of the Lebanese owner. This Lebanese owner, to my knowledge, has never seen PARX. Bob Green doesn't own PARX.

He took this huge tax deduction and sent millions back to Lebanon for years and years. And the PTHA stood by and bought in.

That's the real story.

Benny 06-22-2015 09:06 AM

I think it's definitely Haskell"

Its run on Sunday, and is Zayats' home track too.;)

cakes44 06-22-2015 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jnunan4759 (Post 1032363)
I remember back in the late 1990's that I was told Philadelphia Park had never paid any US taxes. I was told that they were in such dire straits they had to take an 18% mortgage and the the only one who would do that was the cousin of the Lebanese owner. This Lebanese owner, to my knowledge, has never seen PARX. Bob Green doesn't own PARX.

He took this huge tax deduction and sent millions back to Lebanon for years and years. And the PTHA stood by and bought in.

That's the real story.

Quit pu$$y footing around already. What are your true thoughts on Bob Green and Philadelphia Park?

Benny 06-24-2015 09:34 AM

Leaning to Saratoga now 6/18
 
Ahmed Zayat @jazz3162
@VinceStone11 right know Saratoga is in the lead. Head of Haskell @JustinZayat @ZayatStables @AshleyZayat8 @TheNYRA
4:53 PM - 18 Jun 2015

http://www.app.com/story/sports/2015...toga/28957893/

Indian Charlie 06-24-2015 11:42 AM

I would guess this is an effort to get bonus/appearance money out of MTH.

Kasept 06-24-2015 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 1032688)
I would guess this is an effort to get bonus/appearance money out of MTH.

There's well publicized bonus money already in place.

jms62 06-24-2015 12:01 PM

What is the status on Dortmund he makes a lot of sense in the Haskell

Kasept 06-24-2015 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 1032692)
What is the status on Dortmund he makes a lot of sense in the Haskell

Just worked a tighter half mile (:47+) the other day. Spring and the Classic tries took a lot out of him. Baffert getting weight back on and pleased with progress. Haskell is the working target with Los Al Derby seemingly out.

Indian Charlie 06-24-2015 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1032691)
There's well publicized bonus money already in place.

Thanks, I didn't realize that.


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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1032693)
Just worked a tighter half mile (:47+) the other day. Spring and the Classic tries took a lot out of him. Baffert getting weight back on and pleased with progress. Haskell is the working target with Los Al Derby seemingly out.

That makes it seem even more unlikely that AP will go to MTH.

DonGuido 06-28-2015 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 1032695)
That makes it seem even more unlikely that AP will go to MTH.

Why? All things normal, do you actually think Dortmund can beat him or are you thinking Bob wants a Dortmund win not a second or a third or a . . . ???

Danzig 06-28-2015 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DonGuido (Post 1033232)
Why? All things normal, do you actually think Dortmund can beat him or are you thinking Bob wants a Dortmund win not a second or a third or a . . . ???

Dortmund had his chances to beat him. And of course Bob wants wins.

jms62 06-28-2015 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by DonGuido (Post 1033232)
Why? All things normal, do you actually think Dortmund can beat him or are you thinking Bob wants a Dortmund win not a second or a third or a . . . ???

Because Bob and owners would like first place purse money. The only time I see Dortmund lining up against Pharoh is in the Classic if both show enough form from here to have a realistic chance.

Rupert Pupkin 06-30-2015 12:07 PM

AP had his first workout since the Belmont this morning. He went three furlongs in :36 2/5.

http://www.drf.com/news/premium/amer...three-furlongs

jnunan4759 06-30-2015 12:29 PM

Good sign. He was kind of worked up in the SA parade on Saturday. That's understandable, horses are creatures of habit, like us, and that was an interruption of the normal.

If you look at it, it's perfect timing for 2 more works before the Haskell. If they were going to the Travers, no reason to do anymore than jog and gallop right now and start works in about 2-3 weeks..

Trainers don't "work" horses without a target. Unless he hit's a bump, I think that's the target for sure.


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