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DaHoss is a good dude, chill out.....You going to be at Soldier Field Sunday night?

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Originally Posted by Dixie Porter

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Originally Posted by Kasept

If there was an unhappiness with things you think they could have made a rider switch first, had McKee specifically been the issue..

Steve that is the statement of a "rank amateur". Riders mean nothing, although they ALL screw up many times.

As far as the trainer switch (I know NOTHING about it) but any of these switches from one of these "flavor of the month" trainers to one of the guys that's won 500 stakes is MORE OFTEN than NOT a good move.

I do not understand how he could wind up with TP if the contract was specific about "no trainer change".

DP..

If riders screw up many times, then I suppose they DO mean something in the scheme of things.. And on the subject of horses that DEMAND the lead, they mean a ton.

You don't see where a guy as small as McKee is ineffectual on this horse? And that his attempted chokeholds are the problem? Please.. As mentioned way back in the thread, the death of Precisionist this week just happened to bring out trainer Ross Fenstermaker and a discussion of how he had McCarron learn to let the horse relax. He had him drop the reins, grab mane and let Precisionist 'rate himself'... which is what many a horse will do. But if you pull on a horse, he pulls back. Wasted energy on both side of the equation...

Still no word on the details of the trainer stipulation in the bill of sale... But I heard from an employee involved in this at CD yesterday, and he said that the Holthus people had been under the impression, likely from the Hines people, that the horse would finish his career under their supervision...

The move is 'wrong' on many fronts, and while horses have been moved forever, this particular episode is another symptom in an ill patient...

Pletcher couldn't get one of his own to the Classic (ahem Flower Alley) so he goes out and steals one. Lawyer Ron is not winning anything anyway. I would be shocked if he retires this year. Nobody is going to send him any good mares and he would be a Florida caliber stallion anyway.

I think it's a pretty bad move, and they did it a low class way to boot.

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

With all due respect I highly doubt Pletcher "stole" him. Was Holthus given a raw deal, sure. But Pletcher did nothing to him.

I am sure a phone call or a conversation was had by the people that own Value Plus and Lawyer Ron. Last I checked Value Plus was a Pletcher horse. Who moves a horse with one race left in the year unless somebody suggested it? Only people with no class.

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Unless I missed something, what does Value Plus have to do with Lawyer Ron.

Stonewall Farms connection?

Ez

Lawyer Ron......

The horse has got talent, he very fast we all know that. As seen by his most recent effort, LR does what he wants to do, and McKee was along for the ride, and isn't strong enough to control this particular horse. No knock on J. Mckee, we know he's a great rider, and Holthus is a great trainer, but I feel that it may have been time for them to part ways. Pletcher what can you say, the guy knows his stuff, and if anyone can get this horse to rate somehow, TP may be the man for the job. Who would be the choice to ride LR in the BC, or maybe more importantly who will decide to take the chance on a wild ride that day? Top jocks who seem to be firmly with other BC day mounts. Time will tell I suppose, should be an interesting story to follow.

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Oh okay, but I still don't get the correlation. Value Plus, who I think is retired was owned by The Jones's when he ran.

That's all I could come up with...

Ez

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'll make the over/under on number of remaining starts for Lawyer Ron 3 1/2....and you have to lay a price to go under.

The Pletcherization of racing is not good for the game. Not Todd's fault but feeding too many top horses into one outfit is not beneficial to the overall health of the industry.

Darn... you run a tough book.

Ez

Enter the White Mercedes! ;)

And Strong Contender... looks Lawyer Ron in the eye and goes right on bye.

Bye Bye! :p

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I agree with everything but 2. We don't know that there wasn't an agreement when they purchased the horse that they would retain Holthus as trainer throughout LR's career. If there was that agreement then they'd better have a pretty darn good reason for switching trainers.

Reasons don't mean s*** when this was added in the contract. Very nice point Snipe