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CSC 05-06-2009 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by robfla
ever since Giacomo no horse will go off more than 50-60:1

it has nothing to do with alarms going off.

Have you ever been to a Derby and see who bets on this race?

Interesting you mention Giacomo, I wouldn't touch Giacomo after his derby win because you know he was benefitting from a pace meltdown, he was a very ordinary horse. In essence the race fell into his lap, now on the otherhand MTB had a lot of factors go his way, Join The Dance setting a good pace, the off track but and despite these factors I am more inclined to give him much more credit for earning his derby more than Giacomo did.

sumitas 05-06-2009 11:13 AM

You cannot dismiss that tgraph tapped him as one of the few eligible for a new top . And MTB delivered that top . It seems he will probably be a couple of points off that top in the Preakness but that might be good enough to win . We need to look at the form cycle for horses ready for a new top for the Preakness.

Antitrust32 05-06-2009 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Key thing there is a few weeks ago. I think after the Lexington he had enough to go. He was definitely one of the last horses to commit though.


I imagine before the Sunland Derby they probably expected not have the earnings to get into the Derby...

Instead of being like "well we're definately getting in on our 108K or whatever and lets fix this race so we get good odds and stun all those rich folk in Kentucky"

Marty is getting crazier by the day (no offense buddy).

Danzig 05-06-2009 11:29 AM

musket man is now confirmed after a gallop this morning at monmouth. he'll ship to pimlico next friday.

philcski 05-06-2009 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
There are worse riders, but overall, she's a bit of hazard out there. She rode the horse OK at Woodbine. Her ride in the Breeders' Cup Juvenile though was dreadful. The kid in New Mexico rode him lousy too and further darkened any form/potential anyone could possibly have uncovered as a result. He looked like a horse that hadn't progressed a step from 2 to 3.

Had any of us covering the race bothered to ask Borel or Woolley their strategy beforehand, it might have come out that they were changing their approach with him by planning to take back and come with one run. And even knowing that there was still little to go on to bet him as anything more than a super/high five filler.

They sought out Borel as his jock for a reason, as Woolley and Calvin told ATR this week. And I talked extensively with Jerry Hissam, Borel's agent, Monday, and he had some interesting background to add as well. As Baffert said, they had a plan and they got the racetrack and path they needed to execute it and the horse was ready and willing. Amazing really.

Agree with most of this, except for the part about the ride in the BCJ... I bet him a little in that race hoping he'd move forward off the Grey and he really did nothing, he ran the same race (think he paired 8's off the top of my head?)- I can't fault the ride.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sumitas
You cannot dismiss that tgraph tapped him as one of the few eligible for a new top . And MTB delivered that top . It seems he will probably be a couple of points off that top in the Preakness but that might be good enough to win . We need to look at the form cycle for horses ready for a new top for the Preakness.

This is true. He still needed to improve 8-10 lengths, however. Not impossible but it's a lot to ask in the Derby.
He probably regresses back to a 4-5 range assuming the track is dry, which wouldn't be good enough to win- but a 1-2 might be.

Kasept 05-06-2009 12:25 PM

10 now set.

Confirmed:
1. Mine That Bird
2. Big Drama
3. Papa Clem
4. Hull
5. Flying Private
6. Take the Points
7. Musket Man
8. Terrain
9. General Quarters
10. Friesen Fire


Likely/Possible:
Rachel Alexandra
Conservative
Tone It Down

Derby runners considering:
Pioneerof the Nile

Danzig 05-06-2009 12:30 PM

i read that the winner of tesio was a possible. any news on him?

RolloTomasi 05-06-2009 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
8 now set.

Confirmed:
1. Mine That Bird
2. Big Drama
3. Papa Clem
4. Hull
5. Flying Private
6. Take the Points
7. Musket Man
8. Terrain


Likely/Possible:
Conservative
Sky Gate
Tone It Down

Derby runners considering:
Pioneerof the Nile
General Quarters
Friesen Fire

I wonder why Chocolate Candy isn't even a possible.

gales0678 05-06-2009 12:36 PM

i think they want to go to the belmont

Danzig 05-06-2009 12:43 PM

i believe he and one or two others are skipping md in favor of the belmont. musket man is running next saturday, and then i guess will take a break and point to the haskell.

Kasept 05-06-2009 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
i read that the winner of tesio was a possible. any news on him?

Not coming. Zito said he didn't like the short turnaround.

Kasept 05-06-2009 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
9 now set.

Confirmed:
1. Mine That Bird
2. Big Drama
3. Papa Clem
4. Hull
5. Flying Private
6. Take the Points
7. Musket Man
8. Terrain
9. General Quarters


Likely/Possible:
Conservative
Sky Gate
Tone It Down

Derby runners considering:
Pioneerof the Nile
Friesen Fire

General Quarters has committed.

If McCarthy hurries, he can maybe run Saturday in the Lone Star Derby too. They're going to have to drag him out of the spotlight... with his teeth marks on it.

ateamstupid 05-06-2009 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by sumitas
You cannot dismiss that tgraph tapped him as one of the few eligible for a new top . And MTB delivered that top . It seems he will probably be a couple of points off that top in the Preakness but that might be good enough to win . We need to look at the form cycle for horses ready for a new top for the Preakness.

Oh my God.

ateamstupid 05-06-2009 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
General Quarters has committed.

If McCarthy hurries, he can maybe run Saturday in the Lone Star Derby too. They're going to have to drag him out of the spotlight... with his teeth marks on it.

Why aren't we saying the same thing about Stute, Lukas, Ryan, Baffert or Jones? It's OK for all of them to run back in two weeks, but not McCarthy? I'd do the same thing with my one horse, as long as he was sound.

Kasept 05-06-2009 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi
I wonder why Chocolate Candy isn't even a possible.

Pointing for Belmont instead. Came out of Derby in good shape.

blackthroatedwind 05-06-2009 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
General Quarters has committed.

If McCarthy hurries, he can maybe run Saturday in the Lone Star Derby too. They're going to have to drag him out of the spotlight... with his teeth marks on it.


Why do you tempt me with stuff like this?

Kasept 05-06-2009 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Why do you tempt me with stuff like this?

:D

lemoncrush 05-06-2009 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
9 now set.

Confirmed:
1. Mine That Bird
2. Big Drama
3. Papa Clem
4. Hull
5. Flying Private
6. Take the Points
7. Musket Man
8. Terrain
9. General Quarters


Likely/Possible:
Conservative
Sky Gate
Tone It Down

Derby runners considering:
Pioneerof the Nile
Friesen Fire

Any word on charitable Man? Is he running this weekend in the Peter Pan instead?


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