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Cannon Shell 01-06-2009 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Quiet Chris
We didn't need to give aid to Afghanistan and we still would have won the cold war. Afghanistan is impossible to take over.

Go watch a movie like Charlie Wilson's War and you will see how the US never wanted the Afghans to win the war, they just wanted the Russians bogged down there.

And you still don't address the fact that our aid to Afghanistan created the Taliban. I guess you just like to look past that part. :eek:

I suppose our aid to Iraq created Saddam and our aid to Iran created the ayatollahs too?

Danzig 01-06-2009 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Quiet Chris
Oh yes. Let me guess, you wanted to send people like my brother to go fight in crazy African countries, but I am going to guess you never joined the military to go help. :eek:

Give me a break. All that happens when you help these crazy people is good american men and women who serve their country get killed for nothing.

Darfur is not an American problem. It is an African problem.

Please explain to me what America is supposed to do. I love all you people with all the ideas but with no solutions.

so glad you pay attention. my husband and i are both navy veterans, and my son is currently a sailor-he just re-enlisted. my other son is also probably going in-he wants to get an appointment to the naval academy. what branch of the military are/were you in?

Danzig 01-06-2009 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Quiet Chris
The US built up Saddam. And thousands of members of the military died in a pointless war to get rid of him.

I love all you people who have nobody in the military in your family that love to use the military like it is your little game of chess.

ooops.

declansharbor 01-06-2009 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
chris....re-read what you just wrote. if you think that these middle eastern countries, iran and syria for instance, post no threat, and don't involve american interests, you're out of your gourd.

This thread alone leaves us, without a shred of doubt, that the print in bold is the case.

Who gives a $hit about the religious whacko's?? Let them be by themselves...Stop monitoring them, and let them give us their best shot. :rolleyes:

Cannon Shell 01-06-2009 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Quiet Chris
No. Because those battles involved American interests. There were real powers involved that were a threat to the US. Not some little crazy middle east countries that are full of religious wackos.

If you believe that germany or Japan was a bigger threat to the US than a Middle eastern country with a nuclear bomb you obviously have forgotten about 9/11.

And under your theory how did germany or Japan involve our interests more than the Middle east does?

Quiet Chris 01-06-2009 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by declansharbor
Kind of like you and my question of what we are to do as a country if and when the Israelis and Palestinians blow each other off the map??

Sit back and finish off our cheddar fries?

I will gladly answer your question. We would do nothing. It is not our problem. We didn't have a problem watching millions in Africa kill each other. Why should we care about these two countries blowing each other up. The history of the world is full of things that this happening. It is natural selection. The crazy people perish eventually because they refuse to evolve. And countries based on religion are just that, crazy.

Now answer my question.

Danzig 01-06-2009 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Quiet Chris
The US built up Saddam. And thousands of members of the military died in a pointless war to get rid of him.

I love all you people who have nobody in the military in your family that love to use the military like it is your little game of chess.

yes, we did help saddam. it probably kept iran-no, it did keep iran from becoming a threat all those years ago-the threat it's trying to become now. i disagree with what gb2 did-removing saddam strengthened iran, in that respect it was a huge mistake. hopefully oil prices will remain low-as without that resource, iran can't afford to back up their rhetoric.

Quiet Chris 01-06-2009 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
so glad you pay attention. my husband and i are both navy veterans, and my son is currently a sailor-he just re-enlisted. my other son is also probably going in-he wants to get an appointment to the naval academy. what branch of the military are/were you in?

Great. He can stay on his little ship while my brother fights the wars. My brother is technically part of the navy too, but he is part of the navy that fights the wars, they are called Marines.

Cannon Shell 01-06-2009 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Quiet Chris
Oh yes. Let me guess, you wanted to send people like my brother to go fight in crazy African countries, but I am going to guess you never joined the military to go help. :eek:

Give me a break. All that happens when you help these crazy people is good american men and women who serve their country get killed for nothing.

Darfur is not an American problem. It is an African problem.

Please explain to me what America is supposed to do. I love all you people with all the ideas but with no solutions.

people who join the Army become soldiers. A soldiers job is dangerous. I have yet to see a single idea from any of your ranting.

Danzig 01-06-2009 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Quiet Chris
I will gladly answer your question. We would do nothing. It is not our problem. We didn't have a problem watching millions in Africa kill each other. Why should we care about these two countries blowing each other up. The history of the world is full of things that this happening. It is natural selection. The crazy people perish eventually because they refuse to evolve. And countries based on religion are just that, crazy.

Now answer my question.

apparently an inexact science.

Danzig 01-06-2009 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Quiet Chris
Great. He can stay on his little ship while my brother fights the wars. My brother is technically part of the navy too, but he is part of the navy that fights the wars, they are called Marines.


i appreciate your belittling of our service, sorry it doesn't fit your ideals. again, which branch are YOU in? and let your brother know i appreciate his service-i really do. i have a lot of respect for all our guys and gals in uniform. not very much for those who cheerlead from the sidelines, as tho being a relative of someone who is doing something means a damn thing.

Cannon Shell 01-06-2009 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Quiet Chris
Great. He can stay on his little ship while my brother fights the wars. My brother is technically part of the navy too, but he is part of the navy that fights the wars, they are called Marines.

Yeah tell that to the guys on the Uss Cole. If you aren't drunk you should probably kill yourself.

Quiet Chris 01-06-2009 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
If you believe that germany or Japan was a bigger threat to the US than a Middle eastern country with a nuclear bomb you obviously have forgotten about 9/11.

And under your theory how did germany or Japan involve our interests more than the Middle east does?

No middle east county is going to use a nuclear bomb on the US. A terrorist group from Pakistan might, but nobody in the Middle East. Last I checked Pakistan was in Asia, but maybe the map changed when I wasn't looking. :eek:

SCUDSBROTHER 01-06-2009 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Quiet Chris
Great. He can stay on his little ship while my brother fights the wars. My brother is technically part of the navy too, but he is part of the navy that fights the wars, they are called Marines.


LOL....You all thought I was nuts?

Danzig 01-06-2009 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Yeah tell that to the guys on the Uss Cole. If you aren't drunk you should probably kill yourself.

tony and i were in mayport when the stark came in-not sure how many here remember that. our commander in chief, reagan, came down for the memorial service. chilling seeing that ship. it's a wonder we didn't lose more sailors on that ship than we did. not that it matters apparently-i guess navy sailors are a dime a dozen.

Cannon Shell 01-06-2009 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Quiet Chris
No middle east county is going to use a nuclear bomb on the US. A terrorist group from Pakistan might, but nobody in the Middle East. Last I checked Pakistan was in Asia, but maybe the map changed when I wasn't looking. :eek:

Listen ****** if any country uses a nuclear bomb it further wrecks the worlds economies which are already in poor shape. Why this is so is simply far beyond your understanding. And last i looked there were a whole lot more US civilians killed on September 11th, 2001 on American soil that were killed during either World War.

Quiet Chris 01-06-2009 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Yeah tell that to the guys on the Uss Cole. If you aren't drunk you should probably kill yourself.

They were killed by a terrorist bomber, not in some war. Marines were killed in Lebanon by terrorists too. There is nothing you can do about it. But you can keep them from dying in pointless wars.

Everyone loves to say we should fight this war or our military should be protecting people in Africa, but for some reason they don't like to sign up and fight them. Leave that to the guys in the military.

Danzig 01-06-2009 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Quiet Chris
They were killed by a terrorist bomber, not in some war. Marines were killed in Lebanon by terrorists too. There is nothing you can do about it. But you can keep them from dying in pointless wars.

Everyone loves to say we should fight this war or our military should be protecting people in Africa, but for some reason they don't like to sign up and fight them. Leave that to the guys in the military.

i disagree with your first part. also, you're arguing semantics when you brush aside how one group of soldiers died, while saying only deaths on a true battlefield count. they all died while doing their duty.

again, when did you enlist? altho by now, with no answer, i figure you are not, and have never been, in the military. you'd have said so by now had you been. so, mr. judgemental, maybe you should take some of your bad advice and shut up about what the military should be doing.

declansharbor 01-07-2009 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Yeah tell that to the guys on the Uss Cole. If you aren't drunk you should probably kill yourself.

They were religious whackos on a dinghy. They don't matter. We shouldnt worry about them :rolleyes:

Quiet Chris 01-07-2009 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Listen ****** if any country uses a nuclear bomb it further wrecks the worlds economies which are already in poor shape. Why this is so is simply far beyond your understanding. And last i looked there were a whole lot more US civilians killed on September 11th, 2001 on American soil that were killed during either World War.

Nearly 1 million members of the military were killed or wounded in world war II. And almost all were drafted. I don't care if they are civilians or military. An American death is an American death. This notion that a civilians life is more valuable than a member of the military is moronic.


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