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Antitrust32 03-21-2012 01:30 PM

There's no way Tebow starts week 1 in NY unless sanchez is injured.

Even if Tim outplays Mark in the pre-season, I don't see any way Rex doesnt start his guy Sanchez week 1.

RockHardTen1985 03-21-2012 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 847328)
Oh boy.

Oh boy what? Can you even say im wrong? Do you agree with your boy Tony Cromartie?

Clip-Clop 03-21-2012 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 847339)
There's no way Tebow starts week 1 in NY unless sanchez is injured.

Even if Tim outplays Mark in the pre-season, I don't see any way Rex doesnt start his guy Sanchez week 1.

The heat on Rex (who clearly looks like a gent that cannot handle the heat)will be too much if Sanchez looks anything like the 2011 version in preseason, Tebow will be better this year (knows what he is up against, full workout time) than he was last (with no off season) and will show it.

Dahoss 03-21-2012 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 847340)
Oh boy what? Can you even say im wrong? Do you agree with your boy Tony Cromartie?

You're always wrong. Your opinion on everything is horrible.

Antitrust32 03-21-2012 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 847343)
The heat on Rex (who clearly looks like a gent that cannot handle the heat)will be too much if Sanchez looks anything like the 2011 version in preseason, Tebow will be better this year (knows what he is up against, full workout time) than he was last (with no off season) and will show it.


I kind of agree with your assesment.. but I still don't think there is any way Tebow starts game 1.

5 or 6 games into it.. if the jets have a poor record and Sanchez is playing like he did last year, then yes.. i can see it then.

Dahoss 03-21-2012 01:38 PM

Look, I'm glad Tebow is coming to the Jets, but let's not get too crazy with Tebow here.

If anyone seriously wanted him, the Broncos would have been able to get more for him. No one, even the team he helped make the playoffs last year, buy him as a starting QB.

He's not going to beat Sanchez out as starter ever.

MaTH716 03-21-2012 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 847311)
I disagree completely concerning Sanchez. He's been coddled enough. Time to get tough with him.

The extension is because they believe in him. But bringing in Tebow addresses issues they had offensively. They struggled in short yardage situations and the wildcat will open stuff up.

I love the move. As long as roles are explained and everyone does what they are supposed to (a big if) it will work out well. If not, they didn't give up much.

Yeah, I'm not sure about the coddling. His first season was a trial by fire, which ended up with a playoff run. Now there were times when he deserved to be yanked, but they had no veteran on the bench to replace him. More importantly they had no veteran to mentor the kid either. Then they get Bruenell and it was much the same, but more importantly he played very well when it counted.

Now I'm not sure what happened last year. There were a lot of Jets fans who haven't been happy with Schotty/play calling for a while. They didn't run the ball well and they didn't protect Sanchez. Once again there were times he could have been pulled, although sometimes it wasn't his fault (the Eagles game comes to mind). But he was flat out awful at times, no arguement from me.

Then the season ends and the whole world gangs up on Sanchez. Some guys came to his defense, but I guess the label has stuck. Is it accurate? I'm not sure. But my point is, that after a season which was shortened by the lockout, lots of complaining at Schotty, players fighting with each other and a severe issues with the offensive line, I think based on his success in his first two seasons, I would have given him a pass for last season and looked forward to a big year this year. Also making sure Sanchez and Holmes are on the same page. He was a major culprit that did nothing but ignite trouble (after getting his payday).

They missed the playoffs by one game and it feels like they are sounding the panic alarms on the QB who played well in his first 2 seasons. If they really have questions about him, then they should have never signed him to the extention and make him sing for his supper this year.

Clip-Clop 03-21-2012 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 847346)
I kind of agree with your assesment.. but I still don't think there is any way Tebow starts game 1.

5 or 6 games into it.. if the jets have a poor record and Sanchez is playing like he did last year, then yes.. i can see it then.

Two weeks into camp when Rex sees Sanchez at his locker crying about the Jets bringing in other guys to compete and Tebow consoling him, it will be over. At least thats my hope.

Dahoss 03-21-2012 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 847349)
They missed the playoffs by one game and it feels like they are sounding the panic alarms on the QB who played well in his first 2 seasons. If they really have questions about him, then they should have never signed him to the extention and make him sing for his supper this year.

But what is the panic alarm? Because they were half assed interested in Peyton Manning?

Every team aside from like 4 or 5 probably thought about it also.

I don't view bringing in Tebow as a panic alarm at all. He's not being brought in to start IMO.

Dahoss 03-21-2012 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 847350)
Two weeks into camp when Rex sees Sanchez at his locker crying about the Jets bringing in other guys to compete and Tebow consoling him, it will be over. At least thats my hope.

Another knee slapper.

Clip-Clop 03-21-2012 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 847354)
Another knee slapper.

Guy is weak minded and never faced any competition. Now he is toe to toe with the hardest competitor in the league. He will have his hands full. $20?

RockHardTen1985 03-21-2012 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 847344)
You're always wrong. Your opinion on everything is horrible.

My handicapping opinion has been about as rock solid as it gets for a month now. A blind man could see that. Its cool though.....

Dahoss 03-21-2012 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 847357)
Guy is weak minded and never faced any competition. Now he is toe to toe with the hardest competitor in the league. He will have his hands full. $20?

With all due respect, you have no idea what you are talking about. Tebow couldn't outwork anyone in camp last year. All of the sudden he's an elite talent? An elite talent that was able to be obtained for a 4th round pick?

$20 isn't enough.

Dahoss 03-21-2012 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 847361)
My handicapping opinion has been about as rock solid as it gets for a month now. A blind man could see that. Its cool though.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn_PSJsl0LQ

RockHardTen1985 03-21-2012 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 847364)

Cheering for me at Aqu? 7-1 and 8-1 back to back on 2 tickets? Thanks HOSSY.

Clip-Clop 03-21-2012 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 847362)
With all due respect, you have no idea what you are talking about. Tebow couldn't outwork anyone in camp last year. All of the sudden he's an elite talent? An elite talent that was able to be obtained for a 4th round pick?

$20 isn't enough.

Everything I say is about Sanchez weakness, Tebows weakness is throwing the ball, that can be improved. Sanchez issues are much deeper.

A. There was no camp last year.
B. Hard competitior does not = elite talent, I never put it that way.
C. Sanchez is neither elite talent nor hard worker.
D. Tebow was given away to the first bidders to avoid distraction/handle Elways ego.
E. Unless you are a local, $20 is all I am willing to collect via mail.

Dahoss 03-21-2012 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 847367)
Everything I say is about Sanchez weakness, Tebows weakness is throwing the ball, that can be improved. Sanchez issues are much deeper.

A. There was no camp last year.
B. Hard competitior does not = elite talent, I never put it that way.
C. Sanchez is neither elite talent nor hard worker.
D. Tebow was given away to the first bidders to avoid distraction/handle Elways ego.
E. Unless you are a local, $20 is all I am willing to collect via mail.

Again, you have no idea what you are talking about.

Don't worry, it's the internet. You have plenty of company in this arena.

Dahoss 03-21-2012 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 847365)
Cheering for me at Aqu? 7-1 and 8-1 back to back on 2 tickets? Thanks HOSSY.

Are you collecting at the Backyard OTB?

Clip-Clop 03-21-2012 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 847369)
Again, you have no idea what you are talking about.

Don't worry, it's the internet. You have plenty of company in this arena.

OK
Sanchez is elite. There was a training camp last year. Elway has no ego. Tebow is not a competitor.
Clearly you are the authority on football and QBs around here.
Sounds right now?

MaTH716 03-21-2012 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 847352)
But what is the panic alarm? Because they were half assed interested in Peyton Manning?

Every team aside from like 4 or 5 probably thought about it also.

I don't view bringing in Tebow as a panic alarm at all. He's not being brought in to start IMO.

The fact that they are kicking the tires and trading for big name QB's the year after their franchise QB (whom they traded up for and has helped them get to the AFC title game in his first 2 years) character and work ethic has come in to question, would be worrisome for me. Obviously his poor season last year is a major part of it too. They are just sending out very mixed signals, which is possibly what they want. But like I said, I feel like Sanchez deserved a pass for last season. If he stunk again this year, he would have had one year left on his contract (before the extention) and then they could have re-evaluated their stance on him.

Instead, they give him the extention (after flirting with Peyton Manning) and now trade for a QB who might not be a skilled as Sanchez, but has to be one of the biggest competitors in the league. Not to mention that he is loved by everyone. I just think the Jets put themseleves in a no-win situation, not to mention cloudying the relationship between Sanchez and the front office.

Dahoss 03-21-2012 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 847373)
The fact that they are kicking the tires and trading for big name QB's the year after their franchise QB (whom they traded up for and has helped them get to the AFC title game in his first 2 years) character and work ethic has come in to question, would be worrisome for me. Obviously his poor season last year is a major part of it too. They are just sending out very mixed signals, which is possibly what they want. But like I said, I feel like Sanchez deserved a pass for last season. If he stunk again this year, he would have had one year left on his contract (before the extention) and then they could have re-evaluated their stance on him.

Instead, they give him the extention (after flirting with Peyton Manning) and now trade for a QB who might not be a skilled as Sanchez, but has to be one of the biggest competitors in the league. Not to mention that he is loved by everyone. I just think the Jets put themseleves in a no-win situation, not to mention cloudying the relationship between Sanchez and the front office.

I think you are thinking about it waaaaaaaaaay more than the players involved.

Dahoss 03-21-2012 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 847372)
OK
Sanchez is elite. There was a training camp last year. Elway has no ego. Tebow is not a competitor.
Clearly you are the authority on football and QBs around here.
Sounds right now?

Is this more humor?

Clip-Clop 03-21-2012 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 847376)
Is this more humor?

Just inverting all the things I knew nothing about so they would sound correct for you. I am thinking this version sounds half-retarded though...

MaTH716 03-21-2012 02:18 PM

According to Adam Schefter

Filed to ESPN (1): Denver and Jets have encountered hangup in language in Tim Tebow's contract that could nullify trade.


(2) If the Tebow trade to Jets falls apart, St. Louis could wind up getting back into play. Sides sorting through details.

MaTH716 03-21-2012 02:22 PM

Continued:
Tim Tebow has $5 million worth of recapture language, meaning Jets would have to pay back money to Denver. Jets might be unwilling. Complex.

Danzig 03-21-2012 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 847381)
According to Adam Schefter

Filed to ESPN (1): Denver and Jets have encountered hangup in language in Tim Tebow's contract that could nullify trade.


(2) If the Tebow trade to Jets falls apart, St. Louis could wind up getting back into play. Sides sorting through details.

at least there's no mention of 'skins.

MaTH716 03-21-2012 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 847386)
at least there's no mention of 'skins.

Yeah, that's cause Snyder is too busy trying to negotiate a deal bringing Sonny Jurgenson back to the team.....................

Danzig 03-21-2012 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 847387)
Yeah, that's cause Snyder is too busy trying to negotiate a deal bringing Sonny Jurgenson back to the team.....................

poor sonny. he gets so disgusted when they're calling the games. and old as he is, he probably still would be an improvement over many of the qb's they've had!

Cannon Shell 03-21-2012 02:33 PM

If a player with Tebow's skill set only was going to the Jets it would makes some sense from an on the field angle. But because of the circus that surrounds Tebow and the fairly shaky ground that the incumbent QB is on it is an unusual move. Fair or not the outcry will be huge if Sanchez has a few poor games or gets hurt and Tebow plays well in his absence. Of course in NY everything is magnified and QB controversies are a part of life but the name Tebow makes things that much crazier.

Of course neither Sanchez or Tebow is a David Garrard...

Antitrust32 03-21-2012 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 847362)
With all due respect, you have no idea what you are talking about. Tebow couldn't outwork anyone in camp last year. All of the sudden he's an elite talent? An elite talent that was able to be obtained for a 4th round pick?

$20 isn't enough.

Eagles got a guy with elite talent for a 4th round pick yesterday.

MaTH716 03-21-2012 02:42 PM

More from Twitter:
Adam Schefter ‏ @AdamSchefter
One league source said he believes Tim Tebow trade with Jets will go through. But contractual issues now complicating it.

Jets-Broncos agreed to Tim Tebow trade before Denver asked NY to pay back portion of bonuses and salary already paid to Tebow. No deal yet.

jms62 03-21-2012 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 847348)
Look, I'm glad Tebow is coming to the Jets, but let's not get too crazy with Tebow here.

If anyone seriously wanted him, the Broncos would have been able to get more for him. No one, even the team he helped make the playoffs last year, buy him as a starting QB.

He's not going to beat Sanchez out as starter ever.

Dude you said awhile back that you didn't want Manning and now you are saying you are happy Tebow is coming.

Calzone Lord 03-21-2012 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 847392)
If a player with Tebow's skill set only was going to the Jets it would makes some sense from an on the field angle. But because of the circus that surrounds Tebow and the fairly shaky ground that the incumbent QB is on it is an unusual move. Fair or not the outcry will be huge if Sanchez has a few poor games or gets hurt and Tebow plays well in his absence. Of course in NY everything is magnified and QB controversies are a part of life but the name Tebow makes things that much crazier.

Of course neither Sanchez or Tebow is a David Garrard...

I think Tebow will take 10 to 15 snaps a game at the QB position. Probably will throw 2 to 3 passes a game VS 8-to-12 running plays. For some plays, he will be on the field together with Sanchez.

At the NFL combine, Rex Ryan kept telling the NFL Network analysts that he wanted to be the runaway league leader in rushing attempts next season. I know this because I DVR Path to the Draft everyday

I doubt things like " outside distractions" and "media circus" or Sanchez's feelings mean anything at all to Rex Ryan. That's all BS anyway to someone like Ryan...and he shows his disdain for it by how he conducts himself and the type of players he has gone after.

Cannon Shell 03-21-2012 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 847454)
I think Tebow will take 10 to 15 snaps a game at the QB position. Probably will throw 2 to 3 passes a game VS 8-to-12 running plays. For some plays, he will be on the field together with Sanchez.

At the NFL combine, Rex Ryan kept telling the NFL Network analysts that he wanted to be the runaway league leader in rushing attempts next season. I know this because I DVR Path to the Draft everyday

I doubt things like " outside distractions" and "media circus" or Sanchez's feelings mean anything at all to Rex Ryan. That's all BS anyway to someone like Ryan...and he shows his disdain for it by how he conducts himself and the type of players he has gone after.

Lol, Rex Ryan seemingly puts media distractions ahead of everything else at times. If you don't think that the NY media has a huge influence both positive and negative on the sports teams there you haven't been paying attention. Especially for the team that missed the playoffs last year and plays in the same stadium with the team that just won the Super Bowl. Who cares what Rex Ryan thinks, the players read papers, have agents and friends and family that will make them accutely aware of what is being said. When the fans start chanting "we want tebow" after Sanchez throws a bad pick, think that a guy with a 78 lifetime QB rating isnt going to be affected? Perhaps they figure that Tebow will actually deflect a lot of the media attention away from the other issues but that can backfire as well.

The wildcat doesnt work anymore except for perhaps a play or two a game. Lets not forget that most of Tebow's 4th quarter rallies were after 3 ineffective quarters of stagnant offense. The hardest part of being the runaway leader in rushing attempts is having 2 QB's that the defenses dont consider much of a passing threat.

I dont think Sanchez is anymore than an mediocre NFL QB (outside of the top 7 or 8 guys who isnt?) and putting the most popular player in the game behind him on the depth chart just seems like a potentially bad idea especially when that same back up isnt really a better option. Sure if they get off to a 5-0 start it wont matter a damn bit but this could be the move that could be the end of the current team front office and coach if it backfires.

Dahoss 03-21-2012 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 847451)
Dude you said awhile back that you didn't want Manning and now you are saying you are happy Tebow is coming.

I don't know why that is such a surprise. I don't want him as the Jets starter. But if they form some packages for him, that they can use throughout the game, I think with his skill set, it could work well.

Sanchez is the Jets guy for better or worse. I don't think anyone in Jets management thought about bringing Tebow in to compete for the starting QB job. He's being brought in for a specific job.

I think Tebow is a professional and will do the job well. He's not going to be crying about playing time like other guys might.

jms62 03-21-2012 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 847478)
I don't know why that is such a surprise. I don't want him as the Jets starter. But if they form some packages for him, that they can use throughout the game, I think with his skill set, it could work well.

Sanchez is the Jets guy for better or worse. I don't think anyone in Jets management thought about bringing Tebow in to compete for the starting QB job. He's being brought in for a specific job.

I think Tebow is a professional and will do the job well. He's not going to be crying about playing time like other guys might.

Whats this great package? When Tebow is in the game with the Sanchise you isolate a Linebacker on him. He is either going to run, fake for play action or pass. As long as the DB's assume he is going to pass and you have a linebacker isolated on him to stop the run. Wildcat is like the Wishbone, extinct. Tebows game is running when the defense is spread covering the pass. Whole different ballgame as the Wildcat.

Dahoss 03-21-2012 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 847481)
Whats this great package? When Tebow is in the game with the Sanchise you isolate a Linebacker on him. He is either going to run, fake for play action or pass. As long as the DB's assume he is going to pass and you have a linebacker isolated on him to stop the run. Wildcat is like the Wishbone, extinct. Tebows game is running when the defense is spread covering the pass. Whole different ballgame as the Wildcat.

We'll agree to disagree.

I think it's going to work if it gets done.

MaTH716 03-21-2012 07:54 PM

According to Schefter, It is going to be the Jets.

Danzig 03-21-2012 08:27 PM

looks like a deal has been reached. tebow going to ny.

Ocala Mike 03-21-2012 09:50 PM

Nfl Free Agency
 
Funny if he gets corrupted in that clubhouse a la Mickey Mantle with Billy Martin. Waiting to see a NY Post picture of Timmy pimped out with lots of bling with a "Jersey Shore" type stripper hanging off each arm at 4:00 in the morning!


Ocala Mike


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