I'm sick of this. They played Georgia this year, VA Tech, last year, Oregon home and home the two years before that....they're playing a top BCS school out of conference always. And beating them. It doesn't matter anyway, they lost in conference two straight years. Give Peterson an offseason or a month to prepare they can play with anyone. I have no illusions a full season in the SEC they'd go much better than .500 however.

yes, i saw them play too. and i said that the game bama lost is why they're in, and not okla st. but does that negate the total of their seasons? perhaps, it seems it may. ok st said they played a tougher schedule; i don't know that it's the case.

big deal that they played georgia this year. go look at who lsu played this year; it wasn't just one top team. same for auburn, ga, etc. boise st has yet to play a schedule similar to other top programs, til they do they're up for criticism and with good reason.
lsu went on the road and played oregon, wva, alabama. how many ranked opponents did they face this year? i believe all but three teams were ranked when lsu squared off against them; most of their opposition is in a bowl game. can boise say the same? nope.

What didn't you understand...Boise plays a top BCS school every year and usually wins, I said they'd go about .500 in a full SEC conference schedule, I said give Peterson a month or offseason to prepare for a game they'd show up. They did try to upgrade conferences this year and are again this year. It's a stupid system. They have no excuse they missed short field goals the last two years against the best team's in their conference. they have to go undefeated to get in and they couldn't. I think for one game they can play with anyone however. Boise STate isn't as good as LSU this year. I never claimed they were. I think Peterson can coach however and give him a month he could come up with something perhaps to play with them...it may be for only a half like Ark and Georgia though!!

(by the way, 8 of Boise State's 11 opponents are in bowl games...like that means anything at all, as it really doesn't, everyone gets in bowl games...so you said can boise state say the same, your answer was nope, but the actualy answer is yep. I think Boise goes 10-3 playing LSU's schedule this year.)

OSU played and beat more teams in the top 20 than Alabama did. They were ranked higher in the computers because their strength of schedule was higher and I believe that with all the talk of how strong the SEC is, the Big 12 came out as the highest rated this season. Saban said in 2003 that his team deserved to be in the title game against Oklahoma because those two teams had played conference title games while USC didn't. I guess he's singing a different tune now.

Really, there shouldn't be a title game this year. LSU deserves the title for their body of work this season. If Alabama beats them, there well be rioting in Louisiana and rightfully so. I will never understand why LSU has to win twice for the title but Alabama only has to won once. I don't want to hear that Alabama the best team in the game they lost. This isn't horse racing where you lose the Classic and still get the title. LSU won the game on Alabama's home field.

I like Doug's idea in that it eliminates rankings from the equation. It still doesn't change the fact that these are the two best teams in the country in terms of body of work.

wait, doug just asked why georgia was in the sec championship game-he's got a point since they were at best the fourth best team in the conference. but for boise purposes, they're a top team...i don't think so.
as for boise, they need to have a tougher schedule-one tough game isn't a tough schedule. when you see other schools throw down more often than not, of course they'll be more favored at years end.

and yes, i concede the point that there are far too many bowls. when 6-7 ucla is bowl eligible, something's wrong!!

college football D 1 needs a playoff like every single other NCAA sport to determine it's champion I agree. The singular purpose of the BCS is to find the two best teams. I think you could make an argument and a really good one it did that this year.

that's what i'd heard. but a lot of voters boiled it down to the one loss each team had-which is why bama came out ahead in voting but not the computers.
and yeah, nick has been campaigning hard, guess it worked out for him.

Zero teams play Boise home and home any more. Oregon did, Oregon State did and ended up 1-3. Or STate did beat them at home. they left D1AA and joined WAC why was that outrageous?? Where in the country is Boise located at the time of that move?? They left the WAC and joned Mountain West this year. They had no clue Utah and BYU were leaving at the time that happened. So you think they should play more than one SEC team out of conference on the road?? they have a nice program that wins. That's pretty much my only claim in this. This was one of the few years where them going undefeated could have gotten them in the championship game but they weren't good enough to do it. You want a freaking medal for playing Oregon, Boise's done that multiple times. Boise doesn't deserve a medal for playing Georgia or anyone and they won't be getting one which is fine. They're playing Big East now which I think is stupid, I'd prefer they stay in the Mountain West.

no, i don't want a freaking medal for playing oregon. i want a crystal trophy shaped like a football! and we're not going for that trophy because we played oregon.

it's because we played them as well as wva, alabama, auburn, ark, etc, etc and won them all. they started calling the sec west murderers row for a reason.
honestly, i was disappointed boise lost. i wanted them to win them all so we could crush them and stop the hype for a while.

Let's get something straight. Boise was not going to get in over a one-loss Alabama or LSU even if they were undefeated. I think they have shown over the years that they can play with anybody for one game. I also think we all understand that they couldn't come close to the same type of success they have now if they had to play a full SEC or Big 12 schedule. I realize how hard it is for them to schedule better because nobody wants to go the and play them. Whether that's fair or not, that's the reality. In a playoff, they could win a game but they couldn't win two or three. They don't have the depth. As good and entertaining as they are, the schedule they play doesn't compare to what LSU and other SEC teams have to play or what Big 12 teams play.

so, if everyone knows that, why the constant criticism of the system when they don't get a big game post-season?
i don't get how it can be hard to schedule. other schools do it-so why can't they?

Every year, Alabama has to play LSU, Arkansas, Auburn, and a couple of teams from the other side of the conference that are usually top 15 teams. Their conference schedule is very tough. Same thing for a Big 12 team. They don't want to add another tough game by adding Boise. They will play them in a game like the kickoff game because it's a neutral field game. They won't schedule a home and home with Boise. Boise can get some games against them but it always has to be on the road. So what do you do if you Boise? Do you schedule at Bama, at Oregon, at Texas, etc. every year and come out with 2-3 losses or do you keep doing what you're doing and winning 12-13 games a year, having a great shot at getting a BCS bid, and if things shake out right, being in the title hunt every year?

( psssst...KG, she's in a foul mood.Tony got laid off.She will bite you! Back off.)

all i'm saying is you can't have it both ways. you have to play to get a shot at the top games. if you aren't willing to attempt a tougher schedule, than you can't expect a reward at the end of a season.
look at houston-crept to #6 because they were undefeated. people gave them more credit than they deserved, and that's why they got that high. thankfully so. miss. exposed them. you can't play less than a top notch schedule and then demand to be treated as top notch.

Loss of income and pms.


That's a killer.

no, actually i'm in a good mood. and tony didn't get laid off, not sure why you said that.

thud

They do. No one usually plays more than one big time school out of conference game...I give credit for LSU scheduling WV this year I guess as well as Oregon...they one upped most teams I guess.


Did you forget the Northwestern State and Western Kentucky games this year??? All 5 of Boise's out of conference foes were better than them.

The SEC makes a tough schedule built in for those teams.

out of conference Boise opponents since turn of the century...They didn't go D1 til 1997.

Georgia twice
Va Tech
Oregon twice
Oregon State 4 times
Arkansas twice
Utah twice
Washington
Washington state twice
South Carolina
BYU twice
Arizona State

3 SEC teams, 5 Pac 10 teams, ACC, and the regional Utah/BYU matchups. They've scheduled people. You want them to play Alabama, LSU, USC, ORegon in one season all on the road, that's not gonna happen.

nope, didn't forget the bad teams...ole miss-winless in the sec two years running, western ky...

i don't care who boise plays. it just rankles when they go undefeated and start bragging, and then you look at their schedule.

They do the same thing every year...play one BCS conference school every year, hopefully the first game so they have an entire offseason to prepare for it, then play a mix of MAC and WAC teams...some on the road even!! (which BCS teams absolutely don't do!!) Pray they go undefeated in conference and that mixture has been proven to get them a BCS game. One loss and they're done. Same thing happens every single year. now that they're BCS and in the Big East for football, that forumula is likely over.

Why? Going undefeated is a good thing! And they didn't do it so it's moot. I see common opponents on LSU and Boise State's schedule too. :)

I maintain there is no possible way Boise goes worse than 10-3 playing LSUs schedule this year. the only likely losses I see on that ledger are Alabama and Arkansas. The rest they likely win...I even think they beat Oregon too this year if they played. And they did roll Georgia so they are already 1-0 playing LSU's schedule. The sure complete and total brutality of the SEC probably gives them another loss to a team they should beat I guess. They've played and beaten some good teams the last 10 years. It is what it is. They're not good enough to go unbeaten in the SEC, no one has claimed that. They are good enough to compete with any team in the country on any given day. I do claim that.

The line opens at LSU minus 1 and Bama is up to a 1 point favorite at most places. Really unreal to me. If thats the case Ill make a GIANT WAGER ON LSU. I thought they had to open around 4.

You are being unreasonable. First off Boise State is a recent development, only over the last 10 years has the program taken off and they have become a national power. You are trying to compare teams from the SEC to a team that plays in Idaho. Idaho isn't exactly fertile recruiting grounds nor is it a media hot spot. The fact is that they are doing this with a tenth of the budget that the SEC schools have, are in a remote area of the country that 75% of college football recruits couldnt pick out on a map, had to install a blue field to get some buzz, and consistently wins 11 and 12 games a year. Earlier in their run top BCS teams were willing to schedule them. Now? Outside the kickoff classic/1st game of the year who outside of the regional Pac-12 teams are willing to go out there? Nobody. Who wants to play them? Nobody. There is a good reason as there is little to gain and a lot to lose and the bigger BCS schools realize this. The Pac 12 doesnt want them because outside of football they have little to offer. The problem with SEC people is that they dont seem to understand that the system is rigged in their favor and teams like Boise are good for the game. The NCAA basketball tournament is a far superior system because every team in Division I has a fair chance at winning the championship and strength of schedule and those other nebulous items are only used for seeding. A playoff system would is a legitimate ending to the season. What we have now is an undefeated team and a lot of propoganda. Don't forget Boise became legit players on the National scene because the won a BCS game against a top program in Oklahoma, not because they were undefeated. Being undefeated gave them that opportunity but winning the game on the field is what made them.

i'm being unreasonable? hey, good for boise they get a lot of attention. all i'm saying is that they want to play in a top bowl, they need to play a top schedule. you can't have your cake and eat it too in this case. you can't play a light schedule and then ask to be taken seriously, to be put in the same category as bama, lsu, oregon, etc.

not sure how suddenly 'the system is rigged'. not long ago we had an undefeated team get passed over for consideration for the title game(auburn).
the population of the country has inexorably shifted south-it makes sense that football would see some results from that.

How?

Ever since they mopped the floor with eventual PAC 10 champ Oregon two years ago in the game LeGarret Blount had his post-game meltdown in ... no one wants any part of playing them in Boise.

Va Tech was nice enough to schedule them in the South last year and they got beat in a track meet.

Georgia was nice enough to schedule them in Atlanta this year .. and the team who held LSU to 12 total yards in the first half got curb stomped by the Boise offense.

Boise's one loss was to a very good TCU team, and they pretty much laid monster-steamrollings on everyone else they stepped to.

And they're headed to... Vegas?

That's pretty messed up.

so other schools manage to schedule some tough opponents, but boise can't? i didn't know that.


regardless of why they don't have that tough a schedule, it will continue to hamper them post-season.

Seems you don't understand how the big schools think.

Who cares about Boise St? They are garbage and they play garbage. If there was a playoff I would rather see teams like Va Tech and Wisconsin in over Boise St.

exactly the issue. It is all about $$$$$$. Why would a BCS conference school want to schedule a home/away commitment with Boise? There is absolutely no benefit in $$$$$. College football is all about the $ for the big time conference schools.

Look at the bowl games this year. Where does 11-1 Boise State get to play? They get to play 6-6 ASU who fired their coach already. oh yeah and they beat Georgia at Georgia.

Does anybody even care about WVU vs Clemson outside of those schools?

The BCS and these bowl games needs to end. What other sport takes over a month off at the end of the season before they play a championship?

bcs a joke!
 

It's simple as this, the idiots need a playoff. They have over 35 stupid bowl games now. Boise state tcu and everyone should get a chance to win it all. Wouldn't it be crazy if could have a december madness like the march one. Instead we got this bcs crap. By the way isn't it crazy that bama who loss at home to lsu, gets to play again and if beats lsu is national champ even though they basically would split! Comon man the system is stupid period!

Home and home? Most schools won't even consider playing them only at home. The sport is a sham until things are decided on the field.

Did you forget to read the first post on this page?? You even replied to it. They've played people. Are you unable to comprehend that they have played in the Big West, then the WAC, and finally the Mountain West this year...since they wend D1 they have upgraded their conference continually...they simply got a bad break when Utah and BYU bolted, now they change again in 2013? When you are in a conference you play the conference. Why is it so hard to fathom that anyone in the SEC plays a tough schedule even if they only schedule patsies outside....again if you expect Boise to schedule two SEC teams, two Pac 12 teams and a big 12 team all on the road out of conference, you are not comprehending reality. You want them to play 9 road games and 4 home games every year. Which to play the schedule you want them to would be required.

who exactly isn't garbage?? they are all garbage. LSU included. let's see, VA TEch who Boise ST beat last year, and Wisconsin who TCU beat last year. Great exacta!!

i don't care who they play in the slightest. my only point i've tried to make is you can't get rewarded if you don't play a tough schedule. if they can't, they can't. fine. but they can't then turn around and demand a big bowl.

people, please!

if you got rid of the bowl system and installed a playoff, we'd all miss 6-7 ucla play against an illinois team that's lost 6 games in a row going into the fired coaches bowl.

let's not get ahead of ourselves.

:tro::tro:


it'll never happen tho.

Garbage, I tell you, GARBAGE!!!!!!

a Playoff system wouldnt mean the elimination of the bowl system