Elway is still the best QB in Denver

OMG that is awfully close to actually agreeing with me....but yes Elway in a suit
probably throws a much better ball than anyone else in the organization.....

I just can't stand John Fox talking about the kid like he was a handicap and then riding Tebow's late game performances to another year coaching this team.

If Denver makes the playoffs..........ahhh you fill in the blank!

the usual....a win, i still cant believe Blame held on desperately

And Orton is the 2nd best.

With every win, Elway bangs his head against the wall.

...and has the record to prove it. He is awesome. Same squad for the first 5 as the last 5 (minus li'l hands Kyle), actually they were healthier AND more talented (Lloyd).

As an NFL QB Orton is head and shoulders above Tebow and would be the starter if the fans weren't crying for Tebow and Elway didn't bow to that. Face it, Elway put Tebow in to fail and get the fans off his back so he then could get rid of him. His gimmicky style will be exposed as soon as Defenses take it seriously which I would estimate would be very shortly based upon the embarassment he put on the Jets. If you think this guy is the future then good luck with that. He plays like the game is WAY WAY too fast for him. Makes me think of inturmural flag football when I watch him wait for LB's to clear out on coverage and he runs the ball. Enjoy your wins and your mid round draft pick and your postion in NFL purgatory. Not good enough for the playoffs and not bad enough for a pick that will turn the franchise around.

Face it this whole run is the defense who is playing like every game is sudden death. They know they give up more than 14 points and they are losers. For that I credit Tebow, kid has all the heart in the world but not NFL QB Skill by a long long shot. Question for you if Denver fans are such believers then why the boo-birds this past Thursday?

First, I am not a Broncos fan, just live here and therefore root for them. I am a Cowboys fan which comes with its own special set of issues at QB, but that is a different thread.

Orton-sure he can throw the ball better than Tebow (although it goes to the defense at the worst possible times via pick or fumble), but that is not the sole job of QB. There is much more to it than that otherwise Ryan Leaf would be Peyton Manning. If that was your guy, you would get it. Maybe if you are a Charger fan you understand what it is like.

Tebow-is the game too fast for him, of course. Show me a QB that doesn't have those issues after 7 starts outside of the best of the best.
The way NFL defenses are built these days this offense could be successful for a while. Defense is built to react to the offense, NFL offenses are very pass heavy and nobody runs the ball like Denver has structured this offense. Is it the permanent solution, no, no way, but it is working when it matters.

Boo-birds- Just like the J-E-T-S the boos are (or should be) for the offensive coordinators not calling anything creative and taking the playbook out of the hands of the QB's. Although based on what I saw Thursday, Sanchez should not have access to much of it.

Defense- playing lights out, no question about it, but they were playing that way early too, just frustrated to be backed up all the time by Orton's f-ups. Miller is insane and also in love with Tebow. The corners are still small and weak and get exposed by an offense like Detroit, the safetys...D-line is coming around. The keys to the win streak are the linebackers and Tebow taking over the offense. Plain and simple.

I know there is work to be done with Tebow and what they are doing is not going to last but Orton is a disaster and will not likely get a backup spot somewhere next year with all the NCAA talent coming out (again) in this years QB draft.

PS...Your squad?

The beyond beyond fuking hopless Bills

You were aware this existed. Now I am, thanks, thanks a lot. :mad:

Freedie and Stevie are solid.

you guys also forget the Dilfer factor......the defense plays better because they can't afford to let up many with him in there as QB. Kind of like my .672 batting average in games that I started.....cuz if i was pitching, we needed runs

Damn, forgot about his bad karma. :wf



Or maybe it was my bad karma that broke his thumb. :D This is getting deep.

Does OJ Simpson condemn the Bills to Bad Karma for all eternity or just until he dies? It sure fuking feels like eternity man.

I hate you for this.

just read that kyle orton was cut by the broncos. wasn't expecting that news, but knowing he was coming up for free agency, it isn't as big a surprise.

Chicago Bears calling in 3...2...1...

He asked for his release after Cutler injury.
KC could snag....2.5 million left on contract, reasonable for any squad who don't have a future QB on the roster that's injured, on block.

Was I blind or did the KC defensive backs stop on the play before Decker made the catch?

KC got him.

just saw that when i got home. i knew they were one of several that was needing a qb.

Just win. This is getting crazier by the game.

How about Norv Turner calling time-out with 1 on the play clock and the Broncos out of time-outs :zz:.
He has to be fired this year, right?

Enjoy the ride now, because realistically it's going to be very tough to win in the long run without the ability to throw the ball.

I think he throws the ball just fine. Look at the talent around him. His #1 running back is a guy who is OK at best and was let go by Baltimore to get younger. His best WR was recently let go. All the talent on that team is on D, even then its not much.

Look at the final numbers and convince me that Rivers played better? Tebow hit a couple of big passes on the last drive on the fourth (39 to Decker and 23 to Rosario) to set up the tying field goal. Rivers was barely over 50% (19-36) and despite throwing twice as many times, only had 45 more yards than Tebow.

I think anyone would be a fool to argue that Tebow is a good passer but I think it's also foolish to think that a quarterback's job is only to pass. You've got to lead and you've got to take care of the ball and you've got to keep the defense off balance. Tebow excels in doing all of those things. You can call it luck but 5-1 is 5-1. As they say, sometimes it's better to be lucky than good.

Rivers (and the Chargers) have been pretty abysmal this year. I really don't know what happened to him. Once again Tebow was good late in the game, but he didn't do anything extraordinary in OT. You are right in the fact that he doesn't turn the ball over.

Not really sure it's luck, like mentioned above he's not losing games for them, but I really think something should be mentioned about the defense that has averaged giving up 15 pts against a game in those 5 wins. Granted that he has made some big plays when needed, but he really hasn't had to put the team on his back and carry them in a shootout as of yet. The o-line should probably get an honerable mention as well.

The 5-1 record is more indicative of them getting solid play from the entire team.

Is it safe to say the entire team plays solid because of Tebow and the type of man/leader he is. I think thats a big part of it.

I don't know the dynamics of the team well enough to answer that. I would think that he's probably a part of it. But don't forget that you also have a guy like Brian Dawkins who is an absolute warrior, leading the charge as well. John Fox probably deserves some credit too.

Life is always easier when you are winning, their schedule gets a little deeper in a few weeks (vs Bears, vs Pats @ Bills), we'll see if they are a legitimate or not. But if you are a Broncos fan and expected nothing from the season, you're pretty much playing with house money right now. Might as well enjoy the ride.

This is beyond rediculous. You can say he is a leader and he makes people around him better etc..... But you can't say he throws fine for a NFL QB, its just not true.

He is an NFL QB though. He is also 5-1 now, with no real talent around him.

So was Dave Brown and he sucked balls. What's that mean?

I also disagree with the talent statement, their line has done a great job blocking and giving him time to underthrow and overthrow people most of the time.

They have less talent then 70% of the teams in the NFL. Thats not me throwing out bullshit, go roster to roster and check it out. 70% MIGHT BE LOW.

so is painter; what's that got to do with anything? tebow has a never say die attitude, but don't inflate their win vs the abysmal chargers and their amazing losing streak.

i'd imagine one reason they give him time is to keep him in the backfield, and not give him running lanes. he's more dangerous moving than throwing, that's for sure.
but hey, he was at 50% today, he's improving! :rolleyes:

it's the curse of the norv.

:wf

Tebow has not turned the ball over at all in their 5 wins with him. that is not luck, that is good misses. He is not a good passer, but I live in Denver TV market so all their games are on and I've seen a good chunk of all of his games. When he misses, and sometimes it's bad it is always in the right spot to miss. I'll give him that. He's played very well for the most part and the tying drive in regulation yesterday he threw some very nice balls on that drive. He's a really good football player. The is he a good NFL quarterback question about him will be unanswered for awhile, but no one can even argue that he isn't a superb football player.

Raiders game was a bit of a shootout.