If Blame's fractions were comfortable, what were Zenyatta's?

At least you admit shes great.

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They campainged her like a Champion. No owners would bring a mare like that back and risk that unblemished record. Blame is a very very good horse. Id love to see him come back and be a superstar but they have already put him up. How can you knock owners who keep one around like Zenyatta. Regardless of who she faced this year, she was coming off a Breeders Cup win. Whether you like her or not, it was nice for racing, and nice to see her get to this point undefeated. I think they managed her career flawlessly. It all added to the drama, and pagentry of this glorious game.

As opposed to her other races, where she's just flying early.

Not exactly a ringing endorsement.

I'm just assuming she is. Although that field is one of the worst Classic fields of all time...what she did was pretty damn impressive.

My beef is primarily with Jerry and Ann Moss. It's pretty evident in previous posts.

I'm out.

It's better than "jerkoff".

Wow, I agreee... The connections ruined this, all of it.

Well we'll just agree to disagree.

I understand where you're coming from. The whole "They're less of a p.ussy than so and so" it's just not worth proving wrong because this country is overrun with that line of thinking.

For the record Im not a PC Dem. I just think they really gave the fans something we don't see anymore. A horse running into their 6 year old season.

It is your fault.

Apparently The Bidiot doesn't think that a final half mile time of 51.27 is indicative of a fast pace.

Nor does he seem to realize that Z was less than five back of Blame with about a half mile to go.

Oh yeah, that's right, Z stumbled and almost went over the rail which cost her her usual runaway win.

Blame probably would have won by more if Gomez didn't have to put him in a hard drive late on the far turn to keep Lookin At Lucky from getting the jump on him. Gomez could have waited longer if the only horse he had to run down was Etched.

Thank You, Jesus

Hitler's reaction to Zenyatta's loss.

http://www.youtube.com/user/derbydanx

Yes, this makes a LOT of sense.

Well, I've enjoyed watching her compete. She always puts on a show. She entertains, and that (entertainment) is something that is not always easy to find in this game. I think the team of her haters deserve some credit for pointing out the quality of her fields, and the surface she raced on. She was greatly bothered by the dirt coming back at her. This shouldn't have been the 1st time she faced a large tough field on dirt. Have to admit that the connections could of won this race if they'd of listened just a bit.

So a 5/16th run is not much more taxing than a 3/16th run?

That was awesome!

That was even better than the Tebow version of that clip.

Sadly, they will take that video down pretty soon, so to everyone else, go see it now!

Sure it is. But the jump could very well have been the difference and most think it was.

Are you under the notion that Blame has this extreme turn of foot? Watch his races and read the charts. He has a decent late burst but many of his races he is put into a long drive.

Zenyatta DOES have a tremendous turn of foot. On equal or near equal terms with 3/16ths to go, its hard to imagine Blame outkicking Zenyatta especially after she loafed around for a quarter of the race.

Lets be objective.

You weren't at Churchill yesterday were you?

I guess you are too young to remember but it wasn't that long ago that racing horses was the rule not the exception.

And the idea that we were lucky to watch her run this year? Well maybe we were lucky to see the last race but the rest of the season was forgettable unless you are really into preseason games or something like that.

I would say that 2 campaigns where she only loses a single 5 million dollar race by a nose and yet she gets no horse of the year awards would be flawed. Had they run/won in the Hollywood Gold Cup or Pacific Classic (either year) they probably would have won the award. They chose the path of least resistance and blew it.

I'm waiting for Shirreffs and Moss to say she lost because the crowd was too loud.

bah, that's not a good excuse. look at the tens of thousands who were brought to the track because of her in her other starts. easily some of the largest crowd ever in california-she's used to a lot of crowd noise.

Back in the 80s, I remember 50-60k in attendance, for non BC days.

Smith already said it.

Smith needed a few strides to swing Zenyatta to the outside. Smith was able to get Zenyatta out and into the clear at the three-sixteenths pole. But he said the roar from the 72,739 - the majority of whom wanted to see Zenyatta win - distracted her briefly.

"The crowd was roaring so hard she kind of pricked her ears and looked over at them", Smith said

And the rest of the field were deaf?

They need to come up with a better one than that. How about a bit of credit to the winner from the connections?

yeah, i remember those days. it would be nice to see that happen again. cali racing has been going south for a few years. between the workers comp rules, owners bailing, trainers of course leaving...others not shipping in-it's been a real mess. hopefully the return to dirt will help-already some trainers who wouldn't go west the past couple years are announcing their return.

she obviously has remarkably keen hearing compared to the other horses. they had cotton in there, mrs moss was shushing everyone. too bad fans did something unusual and showed their appreciation by being loud. the nerve.
yeah, it's the fans fault she lost. :rolleyes:

An unbeaten record can just mean you haven't gone against tougher competition, like (forgive me) Peppers Pride. An unbeaten record does not determine greatness; winning top-class races against the best competition available determines greatness. Sometimes top horses end up with long unbeaten streaks, but streaks in and of themselves are not of any special value.

Champions seek out the best competition; only that can validate a championship. If Ribot had stuck around in Italy beating other Italians, he wouldn't have been considered an all-time great. But instead, he went to England, won the KGVI&QE, went to France twice and won two Arcs. THAT is why he is a legend.

She had already beaten the boys on the grandest stage. She had nothing left to prove. They brought her back for the betterment of the game, for her rabid fan base, for their egos, and because they really understand how rare it is to see a horse of this magnitude campaigned into their 6 year old season. Something many of you do not understand. An all time great

Her wonderfully planned campaign culminated in the most electric breeders cup ever seen. I would think any common racing fan could understand that

We are very lucky Mr and Mrs Moss were the owners. I cannot think of any other owner who would have continued on with her after they win the first Classic. Sheriffs, what a marvelous job hes done throughout her life. Instead of knocking these people you guys should commend the effort of a champion, and thank the people who let the world share in such a special animal.

Wow, congratulations.

In one post, you've both posted the single dumbest post in DT history and are now also the most idiotic poster in DT history.

Well done.

She never beat a good field on the dirt. Her wonderfully planned campaign is going to result in her losing the horse of the year despite the entire industry bending over backwards and ignoring the ridiclously poor fillys she has been beating.

The only thing that was most electric about this BC was the need for electric heaters.

It was an exciting race though I would not say it was as good as Wild Again's Classic or Alysheba/Ferdinand or Sunday Silence/Easy Goer

I thought he was talking about Goldikova.

He may think she isn't that good because she competes on an inferior surface

:tro::tro::tro:

Couldn't agree more. Many around me had Blame as their bets but with Zenyatta closing they too jumped on the Zen Love Bus ( me included) and tried cheering her home. Something I have never seen before and may never again.

BTW Some of the ladies dressed up in crazy Zenyatta fan wear could have stayed home as I never saw one in a betting line. Just taking up space. At least they weren't drinkers as a rule. :)

'Bid, how long have you been watching racing? This was 'a wonderful campaign'! My God, it reminded me of the Harlem Globetrotters against the Washington Generals. You have to make it close for the fans, but you always knew who was going to win. And she didn't even carry a decent weight all year against the overmatched fields she faced.

I remember when Ta Wee carried 142 lbs to win the 1970 Interborough H, conceding 29 lbs to the second horse and 30 lbs to the third horse; she was a sprinter for the ages. So Zenyatta won the Vanity under 129 the last 2 year. Cascapedia won the Vanity under 129, and she had to give weight to major runners Bastonera and Swingtime. Silver Spoon, who won the Santa Anita Derby at 3, won both the Vanity and Santa Margarita under 130 lbs. Gallant Bloom, an undefeated 8-for-8 champion at 3, won the Santa Margarita under 129. Then these mares were asked to carry even MORE weight in subsequent races and they lost. Zenyatta's folks put in her level weight races instead, more Harlem Globetrotter stuff.

Of course, the racing secretaries deserve some brickbats here, for failing to weight this horse as she had proved she deserved. If they had, she would have had to race against males to get weight relief. You do realize that Blame was carrying 3 MORE lbs than Zenyatta, right?