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kentuckyrosesinmay 08-29-2006 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by prudery
I am horseless at the moment, but ride an OTTB with issues . I am a TB fan. Have ridden other breeds--Morgans, QH, a few Walkers, WBs, and a foxtrotter . Rode an advanced reiner once----superschooled that did spins---very dizzying . We are hijacking this thread, you know .
That's cool that you ride an OTTB. Those definitely aren't the easiest to handle. I would love to ride an advanced reining horse. I have some friends that are into that but have never ridden any of their horses. I added a whole bunch of information to my Magnum Psyche thread.

kentuckyrosesinmay 08-29-2006 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by prudery
Thank you for your response . As I said, Secretariat was judged by persons OUTSIDE the racing field to be perfectly made for any sporting discipline, NOT just racing . Nowhere did I say he was perfect . I always felt his feet were a tad small---as halter horses are horribly known for, especially in the QH world . I know about the horse show world . Plenty of fat and fads as well as quality assessments . Good confirmation may be more geared for speed and efficiency in the racehorse, but the principles are the same --balance,strength, efficiency and symmetry, always . Show people aren't used to the stripped down look of the racehorse which often sports the upside down neck and the like . The yearling sales, conversely, are more show-like, as the yearlings are fat and curvaceous for eye appeal . I assume you are a h/j girl . I am dressage . What looks good to you guys doesn't always apply to us--and most dq's are not Tbred fans . Still, the basics are universal .
You are exactly right in everything you said.

Coach Pants 08-29-2006 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by BellamyRd.
runs in the money in the classic...? Well maybe, Flower Alley was second, so was Medaglia...both were also Travers winners correct? When is the last 3 to win the BCC? it was Tiznow right? I suppose he'd move ahead of him witha Jockey Club win, but it seems to be coming up a bit light, just like the fields in all the other races Bernardini wins...
It's all a matter of opinion. You like Barbaro. I like him as well and was pessimistic about Bernardini.

The Travers changed my opinion. Just like Lava Man, (who I still think is a fluke) all Bernardini can do is run in the big races. It's not his fault the competition is lacking. His Beyer was a 116. Not too many of the 'what if' horses like Barbaro and the others could have much say in that kind of a performance.

kentuckyrosesinmay 08-29-2006 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Not all horses can do a training level test. Trust me. LOL
Maybe not well or maybe in a disaster...but all horses who show unless they are strictly walk/trot horses should be able to walk, trot, canter, stop, and circle. Otherwise...what would they show in? Let me rephrase that "All horses who place well or behave in h/j shows in the walk, trot, canter classes should be able to do a training test.

TitanSooner 08-29-2006 11:47 AM
Why would you say Lava Man is a fluke? Oh wait, that's right, he's from California...

kentuckyrosesinmay 08-29-2006 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by TitanSooner
Why would you say Lava Man is a fluke? Oh wait, that's right, he's from California...
I'm with you on that one.

Coach Pants 08-29-2006 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by TitanSooner
Why would you say Lava Man is a fluke? Oh wait, that's right, he's from California...
Well I was going to answer but it looks like you already have settled on an answer that suits you. Nice going, homer.

Cajungator26 08-29-2006 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
Maybe not well or maybe in a disaster...but all horses who show unless they are strictly walk/trot horses should be able to walk, trot, canter, stop, and circle. Otherwise...what would they show in?
There is more to a training level test than walk, trot, canter, stop and circle. ;)

The purpose of the Training Level Dressage Tests is to confirm that the horse's muscles are supple and loose, and that it moves freely forward in a clear and steady rhythm, accepting contact with the bit. The horse is also asked to stretch down at the trot, and make changes of bend at the trot rather than going through the walk. As you are working through training level and moving towards first level, the horse should be moving and reaching forward towards the bridle. The horse should accept the rider and the riders use of seat and leg. Kind, consistent and correct riding will show with the horses acceptance and obedience to the aids.

I'm no dressage expert, but there is definitely more to a training level test than what you said. It's not easy teaching a horse how to do those things in the correct manner.

Scurlogue Champ 08-29-2006 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by dr.fager
we know as well as literary awards, riding titles, expert on police brutality....

get a sense of humor

Nice one, Dr.Fager.

LARHAGE 08-29-2006 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
To me, Bernardini looks like a high strung maniac, but that's just me. (Bluegrass Cat does too.) I appreciate the classic thoroughbred appearance and wide set eyes of Barbaro much more so if we're going to be talking about looks. You really can't even compare the two. Barbaro looks the part of a champion IMO.
Well that is where personal opinions come in, to me Bernardini is absolutely the most beautiful horse I have seen in years, his build and his motion are awesome. I actually think a lot of TB's tend to be a little rangy and long headed ( hey, I'm an Arabian breeder) but every now and then you see a TB like Bernardini that has the beautifully shaped chiselled head, keen ears, set close together and a powerfully arched neck, just a beautiful horse. I absolutely love Barbaro as well, but if judging them in a halter class, it would be Bernardini, hands down.

LARHAGE 08-29-2006 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
If this doesn't appear bugged out high strung to you, then I don't know what.
I don't call that high strung at all, he was walking very calm, he was looking at something. Bluegrass Cat and Ministers Bid are the poster childs for high-strung and buggy eyed. I thought Bernardini showed the calm confidence of the champ he is.

Cajungator26 08-29-2006 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by LARHAGE
Well that is where personal opinions come in, to me Bernardini is absolutely the most beautiful horse I have seen in years, his build and his motion are awesome. I actually think a lot of TB's tend to be a little rangy and long headed ( hey, I'm an Arabian breeder) but every now and then you see a TB like Bernardini that has the beautifully shaped chiselled head, keen ears, set close together and a powerfully arched neck, just a beautiful horse. I absolutely love Barbaro as well, but if judging them in a halter class, it would be Bernardini, hands down.
If you're an arab breeder, then I definitely understand why you find him more correct than Barbaro. He's got an arab-like head for sure.

LARHAGE 08-29-2006 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by dr.fager
you forgot self-proclaimed, I'd take my girl Cajun anytime.:eek:
I won a judging seminar in a class of over 30 participants in a contest where we had to place 5 horses in order and give reasons, than the judge had to evaluate our responses, I was the youngest competing with some old world Arabian breeders, I was actually floored when I won, as I have a very disticnt like/dislike criteria, SO THERE!!!!! :D

Scurlogue Champ 08-29-2006 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
If you're an arab breeder, then I definitely understand why you find him more correct than Barbaro. He's got an arab-like head for sure.

Yeah, me too

TitanSooner 08-29-2006 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
Well I was going to answer but it looks like you already have settled on an answer that suits you. Nice going, homer.
I actually haven't settled on the fact that he's a fluke.. I hope he runs big in Kentucky.. If he doesn't, I still won't knock what he's accomplished this year. Has he run against stellar fields? probably not, but the same statement many have made for Bernardini can apply to Lava Man.. that he only runs in the best races and it's not his fault who, or who doesn't, enter against him.. Is he as good as Bernardini? I'm realistic.. I'm just tired of the "Once he ships out of CA into real racing, he gets his head handed to him." Can he ship? hasn't proven it yet but I hope he does. I do think he's a different animal than last year, and to call him a fluke after what he's done this year in the best races carded on the circuit and on different surfaces is just plain silly.

sincerely yours,
Homer

Cajungator26 08-29-2006 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by moodwalker
Yeah, me too
LOL Mood...

I'm not even going to comment, but if Bernardini had a towel on his head... never mind. :D

LARHAGE 08-29-2006 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
If you want me to go into a long analysis on Barbaro's and Bernardini's strengths and weaknesses in their conformation I will because I have the knowledge to do so, and learned from one of the best in the nation. Carole Moore is a legend in that department. Get ready to pull out a horse judging manual or a veterinary encyclopedia. In fact, I could actually tear both Bernardini and Barbaro apart in that department. They aren't perfectly conformed from a horse show world judging standpoint, but from a horse racing standpoint, they are certainly built to run. Form follows function. Secretariat is definitely not the best physical specimen there is, but he was perfect for racing. Buckpasser is one that comes to mind, but I would have to really look into the Thoroughbred breed to see what I could find. Also, I have found the perfectly conformed horse for another breed...one that stands out about all the rest. One that the horse show world agrees is actually the best. A unanimous champion. His name is Magnum Pysche, and for an Arabian, he is as close to perfect as you get. I cannot find a single fault in him. He has a perfectly flat croup, a perfect shoulder, perfect angles, a perfect head, a perfect back, perfect cannon bones, perfect forearm muscle...perfect everything and the world agrees.

Watch the entire video. He is a legend.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkPV-k9Mvbk

Secretariat was not perfectly built but he was certainly very, very good. I find that most of the horse racing conformation analysis experts in the horse racing world aren't really experts in overall conformation analysis to the rest of us. I have actually been quite baffled by some of the "good" conformation horses racing analysis experts have put up because, in truth, the horses had horrible conformation. See, in the horse show world, we actually have hundreds of classes that actually judge conformation. This is what I am good at. They are called halter or model classes.

OH BY THE WAY HERE ARE SOME OF MY CREDENTIALS. GO DOWN TO THE JUDGING PHASE AND YOU WILL SEE ME RIGHT THERE "SECOND TOP YOUTH IN THE NATION" IN 2003. JESSICA HARRAWAY.

http://www.4hroundup.com/results/arc...-hippology.htm

HERE IS THE QUARTER HORSE CONGRESS WEBSITE IN WHICH I WAS OVERALL INDIVIDUAL CHAMPION, YET ANOTHER NATIONAL COMPETITION. EASTERN NATIONALS IS THE ONE THAT COUNTS FOR TOP HONORS THOUGH. I HAVEN'T POSTED THESE PICTURES BECAUSE I WAS HAVING A REALLY BAD HAIR DAY, LOOK HORRIBLE, AND WAS EXHAUSTED. PLUS, YOU ALL WOULD ONLY SAY THAT I WAS ONLY BRAGGING. I'M JUST DEFENDING MY CREDIBILITY. SCROLL DOWN THE PAGE AND YOU WILL SEE MY NAME AT THE TOP OF ALMOST EVERY LIST UNDER THE HIPPOLOGY SECTION.

http://www.oqha.com/CONGRESS/hip03.html

Oh yeah, and I judge all breeds! Prudgery you are right in that pictures are can be very misleading, but video is less so. I learned a lot of what I do know from watching videos.
I agree re: Magnum Psyche, saw him win Nationals, I have a Padrons Psyche son and am breeding to a black Magnum Psyche son this spring, an absolutely breathtaking horse is Magnum Psyche, I also saw him as a yearling and he was as beautiful than an he is now! I agree also about judging show horses and race horses, it's actually harder in that show horses are being bred to be conformationally perfect, racehorses are bred for speed, anyone who has done rescue or has ex-racers can attest to how bad their conformation sometimes is, the judging there is completely different. I acually thought Seattle Slew was pretty unattractive, and Pleasnat Colony was downright hideous! :p

LARHAGE 08-29-2006 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by prudery
Actually, all riding is dressage in theory . With Tbreds, the downhill look is definately not dressage material, but there are plenty of uphill guys . The big issue with the Tbred is whether they have a strong back, loins and the patience required . I watched the Magnum Arab guy video . Lovely elastic horse, but in halter classes don't they have to stand square ??? He doesn't behind .
Arabs don't stand square, they have a leg back to accentuate their topline.

kentuckyrosesinmay 08-29-2006 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
There is more to a training level test than walk, trot, canter, stop and circle. ;)

The purpose of the Training Level Dressage Tests is to confirm that the horse's muscles are supple and loose, and that it moves freely forward in a clear and steady rhythm, accepting contact with the bit. The horse is also asked to stretch down at the trot, and make changes of bend at the trot rather than going through the walk. As you are working through training level and moving towards first level, the horse should be moving and reaching forward towards the bridle. The horse should accept the rider and the riders use of seat and leg. Kind, consistent and correct riding will show with the horses acceptance and obedience to the aids.

I'm no dressage expert, but there is definitely more to a training level test than what you said. It's not easy teaching a horse how to do those things in the correct manner.
I know...I've won several training level classes and I had to work my butt off for those wins. I meant that all hunters should be able to perform the walk, trot, canter, circle, and halt so that essentially, they can do a training level dressage test. It doesn't mean that they have to do it well...just that they can do them. I've had horses gallop, buck, and rear in tests before, yet I still performed the test.

Of course there are working trot, working trot sitting, halt, working canter, changing rein, working trot rising, medium walk, free walk, gradually letting the horse take the reins at the trot while circling, working canter, changing rein, transitions, 20 meter circles at the trot and canter, bending, acceptance of the bit, impulsion, submission, lightness, freedom, regularity,stopping squarely at the halt...etc. etc.

Coach Pants 08-29-2006 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by TitanSooner
I actually haven't settled on the fact that he's a fluke.. I hope he runs big in Kentucky.. If he doesn't, I still won't knock what he's accomplished this year. Has he run against stellar fields? probably not, but the same statement many have made for Bernardini can apply to Lava Man.. that he only runs in the best races and it's not his fault who, or who doesn't, enter against him.. Is he as good as Bernardini? I'm realistic.. I'm just tired of the "Once he ships out of CA into real racing, he gets his head handed to him." Can he ship? hasn't proven it yet but I hope he does. I do think he's a different animal than last year, and to call him a fluke after what he's done this year in the best races carded on the circuit and on different surfaces is just plain silly.

sincerely yours,
Homer
The difference in Lava Man and the Midwest and East Coast contingent is at least the majority of the top horses this side of the country have traveled outside of their area and faced different competition.

Not giving Lava Man a prep at Belmont or Keeneland is going to backfire. Running him in the Hirsch is avoiding all challengers that matter. The horse might not be a fluke, but his connections sure are acting like he is.

I want the horse to compete with the best. What's left in California?

prudery 08-29-2006 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by LARHAGE
Arabs don't stand square, they have a leg back to accentuate their topline.
Interesting. But I must say that that horse was soo lovely it wouldn't matter if he stood square, round or on MY head .

somerfrost 08-29-2006 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
The difference in Lava Man and the Midwest and East Coast contingent is at least the majority of the top horses this side of the country have traveled outside of their area and faced different competition.

Not giving Lava Man a prep at Belmont or Keeneland is going to backfire. Running him in the Hirsch is avoiding all challengers that matter. The horse might not be a fluke, but his connections sure are acting like he is.

I want the horse to compete with the best. What's left in California?
Putting him in a turf race makes perfect sense...the oldest angle in the sport (that actually works) is turf to dirt! This will set him up perfectly for the BCC, winning a dirt race against any competition as a prep would be meaningless...the BCC win has to be the objective if they want HOY!

Gander 08-29-2006 12:32 PM
Who exactly is left on the East Coast besides Bernardini and possibly Invasor for Lava Man to change his plans and run a prep against? You guys act like the East coast contains 4-5 older horses that Lava Man should have to worry about.

LARHAGE 08-29-2006 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by prudery
Interesting. But I must say that that horse was soo lovely it wouldn't matter if he stood square, round or on MY head .
Yes, he certainly is, thats the thing with Arabians, they can be so unbelievably beautiful, they are often called living art.

TitanSooner 08-29-2006 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants
The difference in Lava Man and the Midwest and East Coast contingent is at least the majority of the top horses this side of the country have traveled outside of their area and faced different competition.

Not giving Lava Man a prep at Belmont or Keeneland is going to backfire. Running him in the Hirsch is avoiding all challengers that matter. The horse might not be a fluke, but his connections sure are acting like he is.

I want the horse to compete with the best. What's left in California?
Excellent response.. however, shipping outside of a horse's "area" in the east coast is much easier than shipping from California. The closest "Major" track to us is.. Kentucky. We're an island out here as far as that is concerned. The Hirsch wouldn't be my choice for a prep either, but I'm not a trainer and don't get paid to make those decisions.. Will it backfire? Maybe.. I hope not as I want to see him run his best race against that monster so there are no excuses for anyone. Can't wait to see that race.. just hope everyone stays healthy for it.

somerfrost 08-29-2006 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by LARHAGE
I agree re: Magnum Psyche, saw him win Nationals, I have a Padrons Psyche son and am breeding to a black Magnum Psyche son this spring, an absolutely breathtaking horse is Magnum Psyche, I also saw him as a yearling and he was as beautiful than an he is now! I agree also about judging show horses and race horses, it's actually harder in that show horses are being bred to be conformationally perfect, racehorses are bred for speed, anyone who has done rescue or has ex-racers can attest to how bad their conformation sometimes is, the judging there is completely different. I acually thought Seattle Slew was pretty unattractive, and Pleasnat Colony was downright hideous! :p

I agree 100%, some of the horses we rescued were unbelievable...hard to understand how they could even walk....of course many couldn't. Reminds me of my gelding Calledon, the farrier was here yesterday for a trim...as always I asked when he was through, "how does he look?" and as always he said, "he looks great, crooked as ever but that's just him!" Cal entered the starting gate 79 times with those legs...in racing, it ain't the looks, it's who gets to the finish line first!

oracle80 08-29-2006 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Gander
Who exactly is left on the East Coast besides Bernardini and possibly Invasor for Lava Man to change his plans and run a prep against? You guys act like the East coast contains 4-5 older horses that Lava Man should have to worry about.
Ugghh, this bs argument again. Look, hes a gelding guys. Pissing matches are for guys with a whole lotta cash and nothing better to do. He ha sno stud value, so repeat after me, easiest spots possible for the largest amount of money.
And Tim get real, good Reward is about 222nd best dirt horse on the East Coast, and he was an ok second to lava athis home track. lava would never beat many of the east Coast horses on a neutral track. We heard this same crap last year before the JCGC where mysteriously;) he lost a close photo with the ambulance.
His campaign this year has proved absolutely nothing new at all. We already knew that on speed biased claifornia racetracks that he could beat very bad horses. He actually has to beat better than : WHos Crying Now, Cheroot, Magnum, good Reward, Kings Drama, and good ole Ace Blue(by a nose no less, wow, he beats ace blue by a nose, thats really the earmark of a champion) to be Hoy or even mentioned in that venue.

sumitas 08-29-2006 12:40 PM
Calledon is not on predigreequery.com

Gander 08-29-2006 12:41 PM
Hes got 2 horses he has to beat: Bernardini and Invasor. Thats it.
The rest of these east coast horses have more excuses than accomplishments. Who exactly did Invasor beat in the Suburban? Wild Desert, Andromedas Hero? Give me a break. Those arent top horses either.

Alright enough of this stuff. Looking at tomorrow's card, lets start with race 6 shall we?

kentuckyrosesinmay 08-29-2006 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by LARHAGE
I agree re: Magnum Psyche, saw him win Nationals, I have a Padrons Psyche son and am breeding to a black Magnum Psyche son this spring, an absolutely breathtaking horse is Magnum Psyche, I also saw him as a yearling and he was as beautiful than an he is now! I agree also about judging show horses and race horses, it's actually harder in that show horses are being bred to be conformationally perfect, racehorses are bred for speed, anyone who has done rescue or has ex-racers can attest to how bad their conformation sometimes is, the judging there is completely different. I acually thought Seattle Slew was pretty unattractive, and Pleasnat Colony was downright hideous! :p
That is awesome. If I was into Arabs, he is definitely who I would go for! I may get into them one day because my fiance loves them! Pleasant Colony WAS horrible! No offense to him because he was a great racehorse. He had one of the longest backs and was one of the most hound-gutted horses that I have ever seen! His shoulder angle and neck were better than a lot of TB's though. Most TBs have those awful completely straight shoulders...you know what I'm talking about. It's nice to see one that is a little more rounded as in Grindstone and Pleasant Colony. He also had a nice colume of bone although his cannons were too long. Overall, he was built to run as he displayed on the track. His back is long and his shoulder was rounded both indicative of a large stride. His neck was was long and thin so that he was not top heavy. He was a lighter horse than some of the others like Secretariat and Seattle Slew and he had a good colume of bone. Therefore, he could stand up to the rigors of racing. I really didn't like Seattle Slew hip and shoulder, but again, he was also built to race as it showed on the track. It isn't so much Barbaro's and Bernardini's conformation that makes them as fast and appealing as they are. It is their presence, the look in their eye, and their heart. They just have that whole look to them...it is a look that not many horses have. It screams, "I am a great champion." Which, I think both of them are.

Coach Pants 08-29-2006 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Gander
Who exactly is left on the East Coast besides Bernardini and possibly Invasor for Lava Man to change his plans and run a prep against? You guys act like the East coast contains 4-5 older horses that Lava Man should have to worry about.
The connections are gambling that the problems he's had shipping east are corrected. To me it would be wise to make sure the problems have been corrected a race before the Classic instead of playing the safe card and running him in the Hirsch.

kentuckyrosesinmay 08-29-2006 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by LARHAGE
Yes, he certainly is, thats the thing with Arabians, they can be so unbelievably beautiful, they are often called living art.
IMO, there is no breed in the world as beautiful as a good Arabian.

kentuckyrosesinmay 08-29-2006 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by dr.fager
we know as well as literary awards, riding titles, expert on police brutality....

get a sense of humor
Go check out the websites that I posted of myself winning the riding/educational/judging titles. I will posts pictures of all of literary/journalism awards as well, but I am not on websites for those. When did I ever say that I was an expert on police brutality? I have studied it, but I am certainly not an expert on it.

LOL.

AGAIN, WHEN MY CREDIBILITY IS ATTACKED, I BRING UP PAST ACCOMPLISHMENTS TO PROVE THAT I AM INDEED CREDIBLE. If any of you think that it is wrong, then kiss my a s s because I don't think it is, especially when someone is saying that I don't know my stuff when I do. All of this arose from posters saying just that. I am trying to get you all to think. In other words, I posted my resume to give myself some credibility so that some of these posters would take a step back, look at their current stance, and then decide if it was beneficial or intelligent to change their mind.

I have an analogy. Someone who you think is your friend gives you a clear, colorless liquid. You think that it is water. As you put it up to your mouth, another friend yells, "Stop! Don't drink that! It's poison!" Now, are you going to still drink the poison because you want to be consistent, or do you change your mind because you were given new, beneficial information.

There is nothing wrong with changing (or not changing) your mind when you consider others perspectives on situations and the facts, especially if they have the credibility (not talking about this thread because it is opinion at this point; talking about life because I'm in the mood to do so) to back it up. One thing I will do is admit when I am wrong and change my opinion if need be. We need to learn from each other, not attack each other. That is one of the biggest problems in America right now IMO.

One of the best phrases, "All successful people in life have big egos....doctors, lawyers, and the like. It takes a big ego to get themselves there." This saying holds to be true. Since I can't become a jockey because I was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis, I am going to be a rheumatologist (a arthritis/allergy doctor). Do you get my drift? I am very proud of my accomplishments and like telling the whole world about them, but then again, most people do. If that offends you then I am sorry, but this is just who I am. You have to take the good and the bad with me because I am not going to change who I am or hide behind a mask just so a horse racing message board (that consists of people I don't even know) won't gang up on me. I'm real, and don't hide behind a superficial wall like a lot of people do. Nor do I back down from a challenge (especially an academic one) unless the other person clearly knows more about a topic than I do.

kentuckyrosesinmay 08-29-2006 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by LARHAGE
I won a judging seminar in a class of over 30 participants in a contest where we had to place 5 horses in order and give reasons, than the judge had to evaluate our responses, I was the youngest competing with some old world Arabian breeders, I was actually floored when I won, as I have a very disticnt like/dislike criteria, SO THERE!!!!! :D
I knew that you had some judging experience from somewhere. You know too much about it to just be an exhibitor! That is why I am sure that your horses do better in the show ring than most other also also!

BellamyRd. 08-29-2006 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
Go check out the websites that I posted of myself winning the riding/educational/judging titles. I will posts pictures of all of literary/journalism awards as well, but I am not on websites for those. When did I ever say that I was an expert on police brutality? I have studied it, but I am certainly not an expert on it.

LOL.

AGAIN, WHEN MY CREDIBILITY IS ATTACKED, I BRING UP PAST ACCOMPLISHMENTS TO PROVE THAT I AM INDEED CREDIBLE. If any of you think that it is wrong, then kiss my a s s because I don't think it is, especially when someone is saying that I don't know my stuff when I do. All of this arose from posters saying just that. I am trying to get you all to think. In other words, I posted my resume to give myself some credibility so that some of these posters would take a step back, look at their current stance, and then decide if it was beneficial or intelligent to change their mind.

I have an analogy. Someone who you think is your friend gives you a clear, colorless liquid. You think that it is water. As you put it up to your mouth, another friend yells, "Stop! Don't drink that! It's poison!" Now, are you going to still drink the poison because you want to be consistent, or do you change your mind because you were given new, beneficial information.

There is nothing wrong with changing (or not changing) your mind when you consider others perspectives on situations and the facts, especially if they have the credibility (not talking about this thread because it is opinion at this point; talking about life because I'm in the mood to do so) to back it up. One thing I will do is admit when I am wrong and change my opinion if need be. We need to learn from each other, not attack each other. That is one of the biggest problems in America right now IMO.

One of the best phrases, "All successful people in life have big egos....doctors, lawyers, and the like. It takes a big ego to get themselves there." This saying holds to be true. Since I can't become a jockey because I was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis, I am going to be a rheumatologist (a arthritis/allergy doctor). Do you get my drift? I am very proud of my accomplishments and like telling the whole world about them, but then again, most people do. If that offends you then I am sorry, but this is just who I am. You have to take the good and the bad with me because I am not going to change who I am or hide behind a mask just so a horse racing message board (that consists of people I don't even know) won't gang up on me. I'm real, and don't hide behind a superficial wall like a lot of people do. Nor do I back down from a challenge (especially an academic one) unless the other person clearly knows more about a topic than I do.
good luck being a rheumatologist...all those blue ribbons, however, does not prove you know jack about thoroughbreds and thoroughbred racing, you guys want to talk dressage, go to a 4-H club, you want to know about big time money bloodhorses, put your ego aside and listen up

dr. fager 08-29-2006 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
Go check out the websites that I posted of myself winning the riding/educational/judging titles. I will posts pictures of all of literary/journalism awards as well, but I am not on websites for those. When did I ever say that I was an expert on police brutality? I have studied it, but I am certainly not an expert on it.

LOL.

AGAIN, WHEN MY CREDIBILITY IS ATTACKED, I BRING UP PAST ACCOMPLISHMENTS TO PROVE THAT I AM INDEED CREDIBLE. If any of you think that it is wrong, then kiss my a s s because I don't think it is, especially when someone is saying that I don't know my stuff when I do. All of this arose from posters saying just that. I am trying to get you all to think. In other words, I posted my resume to give myself some credibility so that some of these posters would take a step back, look at their current stance, and then decide if it was beneficial or intelligent to change their mind.

I have an analogy. Someone who you think is your friend gives you a clear, colorless liquid. You think that it is water. As you put it up to your mouth, another friend yells, "Stop! Don't drink that! It's poison!" Now, are you going to still drink the poison because you want to be consistent, or do you change your mind because you were given new, beneficial information.

There is nothing wrong with changing (or not changing) your mind when you consider others perspectives on situations and the facts, especially if they have the credibility (not talking about this thread because it is opinion at this point; talking about life because I'm in the mood to do so) to back it up. One thing I will do is admit when I am wrong and change my opinion if need be. We need to learn from each other, not attack each other. That is one of the biggest problems in America right now IMO.

One of the best phrases, "All successful people in life have big egos....doctors, lawyers, and the like. It takes a big ego to get themselves there." This saying holds to be true. Since I can't become a jockey because I was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis, I am going to be a rheumatologist (a arthritis/allergy doctor). Do you get my drift? I am very proud of my accomplishments and like telling the whole world about them, but then again, most people do. If that offends you then I am sorry, but this is just who I am. You have to take the good and the bad with me because I am not going to change who I am or hide behind a mask just so a horse racing message board (that consists of people I don't even know) won't gang up on me. I'm real, and don't hide behind a superficial wall like a lot of people do. Nor do I back down from a challenge (especially an academic one) unless the other person clearly knows more about a topic than I do.
again get a sense of humor....I never attacked your credibility if you can show me where anyone but you said "I'm the conformation analysis expert on this board" then I'll concede.

But frankly it doesn't matter it was a joke...that statement was as much of a dig on cajun as you...difference is she didn't spend half her day formulating a response....why....because she has a sense of humor.

kentuckyrosesinmay 08-29-2006 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by BellamyRd.
good luck being a rheumatologist...all those blue ribbons, however, does not prove you know jack about thoroughbreds and thoroughbred racing, you guys want to talk dressage, go to a 4-H club, you want to know about big time money bloodhorses, put your ego aside and listen up
Listen to what? It has all been a bunch of jibberish on here lately. Pedigree Ann, Bold Brooklynite, Oracle, Cunningham, Moodwalker, and Rupert Pupkin are the only ones that post on here regularly that are professionals in the industry. They haven't been posting very much lately. I know quite a bit about Thoroughbreds thank you very much. Do you think that Thoroughbred race horses are any different from the other horses in the world other than in the way that they are trained? I think not! Also, last time I checked dressage is an international sport and has there own million dollar horses who show in the Olympics. Horses are horses. Show horses have the same illnesses, lamenesses, breeding practices, and heart that race horses do. They are even handled from birth to a yearling the same exact way. The only difference is in the training. Don't talk degradingly about the 4-H club anyway. Most of the best veterinarians in the U.S. started in the 4-H. I'm convinced that my friend, who was in the 4-H, is going to become one of the best horse racing veterinarians in the country. She's a smart cookie.

BellamyRd. 08-29-2006 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
Listen to what? It has all been a bunch of jibberish on here lately. Pedigree Ann, Bold Brooklynite, Oracle, Cunningham, Moodwalker, and Rupert Pupkin are the only ones that post on here regularly that are professionals in the industry. They haven't been posting very much lately. I know quite a bit about Thoroughbreds thank you very much. Do you think that Thoroughbred race horses are any different from the other horses in the world other than in the way that they are trained? I think not! This nonsense needs to stop.
They are not the ONLY ones working in the industry who post here
even so, some of us have professional level knowledge
or have been around the game our entire lives
I have a degree in equine studies, and have studied extensive
conformation & pedigree and sales trends in the THOROUGHBRED INDUSTRY
so...you think you are the resident expert?
I won't put you down, because I don't know what experience you have had
but all I ask is you show the same respect to the rest of us
because our knowledge and experience may outweigh your own
by a long-shot, ya never know...you're just assuming

somerfrost 08-29-2006 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by sumitas
Calledon is not on predigreequery.com

Calledon's Prospect is indeed listed...but not his record! I think he had 79 races with 17 wins (one stake in Charlestown pre slots)...raced until 11, then put in a killing field to die of starvation (more likely dehydration of course)...that's where I got him almost 6 years ago.

kentuckyrosesinmay 08-29-2006 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by dr.fager
again get a sense of humor....I never attacked your credibility if you can show me where anyone but you said "I'm the conformation analysis expert on this board" then I'll concede.

But frankly it doesn't matter it was a joke...that statement was as much of a dig on cajun as you...difference is she didn't spend half her day formulating a response....why....because she has a sense of humor.
Awww, I guess I'm just so used to negativety on this site. You didn't attack my credibility. Others did. I just posted my replay in this thread. You are right...a sense of humor would be good today but I'm really stressed out. I had a sense of humor last night though. I can't remember. I'm running on only four hours of sleep and I'm quite cranky. Well, I'm back off to college! Ya'll take care and don't get any rowdier until I get back (I don't want to miss all of the good stuff). LOL.

Why don't ya'll post a thread that has all of the forum members vote for or against Bernardini. That way, we could end the debate, at least, on the board. I don't have time to right now.


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