Cannon...why do you assume that people who are outraged at these remarks and find racism/sexism repulsive live in ivory towers?

Somer,
Good to see you show up. I agree with your take.
Seems to me that this issue brought something to the surface that has been bubbling under a lid for quite a while. It's much more than Imus, Sharpton, or Jackson. Imus gave it voice. He then groveled for forgiveness to Sharpton.
A big mistake IMHO.
The wonderful atheletes of the Rutgers women's team are the ones he needs to face. He doesn't know them, nor do they him. These fine women, despite their youth and proven scholarship, were attacked, for whatever reason Imus can seek to justify. To me, it's up to them to listen and forgive. They have already shown grace and character.
I also have spoken against racism and sexism. Our culture, our own civilization, can no longer tolerate the hatred that is created by manipulation of voices that seek to perpetuate their misguided (hateful, exclusionist) views.
There IS a time to speak up, as the Rutgers women so ably did.
I respect them far more than I do Imus (and yes, Imus has done many good things, as I noted earlier on this thread). Hateful words only pis-sed on all of his good accomplishments.
Perhaps this entire episode brought something to to the light that needed to be seen. The Rutgers women have every good reason to be proud of themselves. They didn't respond with hate, but rather a willingness to listen and try to seek understanding.
It's quite clear that the times have changed. Racism and sexism will no longer go unchallenged.
Let us all learn from this. Let us find ways to make our children as worthy of the respect and pride that the parents of the Rutgers women must feel.
The alternative is to continue a path of "careful teaching", as in the lyrics of that song from "South Pacific"...you've got to be carefully taught...to hate.

just one....not you




I still have a hard time making this whole thing into a racist/sexist commentary on the state of society. It was a bad joke. Lets just move on. Not moveon.org though

Well,I heard a little more of the whole incident today........Sure enough,Don didn't come up with the word Ho.No,that was thrown in by Bernard saying "Hardcore Ho(s)." Don didn't think.He just instantly put "Nappy-headed" along with it.I think it is very important that he dump Bernard.Bernard is responsible for almost all of the comments that are over the line.People are very upset about using the word "ho" to describe any of these students.Well,it wouldn't have happened if Bernard wasn't there.I don't think Don is a bad person,but I am not sure(at all) about Bernard.Imus is responsible for what goes on,and if he says he is gunna change the show,then I think Bernard(for sure)has to go.His whole reason for being there was to go over the line like this.Bernard's comedy may be acceptable for a club,but not for a national daily t.v. show.I am not a guy big on controlling speech,and I don't think calling somebody ugly is over the line.If it is,then we gotta stop commenting about body part size etc.,because people can't control these things.People haven't been hurt physically for being ugly etc. in this country.They have been physically injured for being Black,or gay.So,I see race and sexual orientation as areas these guys need to stop "rapping about" when comedy is the point of the conversation at hand.I didn't say Don should be fired.I think you will get mixed views on that. I said I thought he would be fired.I still think he might be(because a lot more is there if they go searchin'.)I think Bernard should have been canned 4 days ago.

Just do as I say, not as I do....

I think its coming down to this:

If the advertisers think they will be hurt if after his detention hall he comes back and there is a backlash, he is cooked. If the advertisers dont pull adds, then they think its worth having him on, limited damage done. He stays.

The people who pay the bills for the on air time will have the decision how much it will hurt to keep him. And that ultimately is the advertisers. These people are not dumb. Plenty of little polls and such will be done.

When asking if so and so public figure can come back from some scandal, I always use the Pat O'Brien test. Is it worse than Pat O'Brien? "lets' get some coke and some hookers and just go crazy".

In the Imus case I'd say yeah he'll be back, serve your suspension, apologize another 20-30 times, then go on and be more careful.

The one they should watch is Bernard because he is the one that pushes the racist stuff, I think the I Man sorta just follows along like a kid. anyway he is the one responsible.

the one I find funny on that show is the guy who dresses up and does the voices and songs and impersonations, can't think of his name.

I want this coach to come freelance with the Dodgers.No wonder this team made the final game. Man she can use an axe.She is rippin' Don a new one.Lady,I got a team of overpaid underperformers. They do not come to give 100% each game.Please come motivate this settling bunch.

This coach is giving Don a wicked beating,and hasn't said his name one time.Just rippin him apart by talking about this team's accomplishments etc.

You might be right.
I think some people found out that "jokes" about racism or sexism aren't really
all that "funny".
Rutgers women gave Imus a slam dunk, no foul....champions they are!
He will learn from them.
I hope we all do.

Mr. Klooglemaucher:


Do not smart off to Aunty Cooby.

I won't tell you again.

There is two of them Larry Kenney and Rob Bartlett.

Forgive my transgressions and if I have offended please feel free to vaporize me from this pitiful thread

This team is just starting to pummel him.Coach already took a testicle.They ain't moving on.

Im going to be vaporized soon but this may be one of the biggest, hyped non-storys that became a story that has ever existed. At least Anna Nicole died.

Am I gunna have to stop calling Simon "MR. CLEAN."

Aw forget it.


She's such a chippy anyway.....I was just trying to silence her.

I appreciate your cooperation very much.


All the best,
mdf

mine was a plea for help!! Mercifully vaporize me !!

ror!!



Did you see the BigCheeses' picks on the show?

That should send you running for cover.

more weight?

LOL....Folks......There is no mystery why this man said this.He was trying to be funny.The biggest lie was when he said he didn't know if he thought it was funny.He thought it was funny.Nobody should be stumped about why he said it.

Normally would say something about this player's massive ear rings,but you go girl.

This will be the last time I even think about this subject, not to mention comment on it, but I just saw Rutgers Coach Stringer at her press conference on ESPN. She was saying something to the effect of we should never let someone else's opinion or words make us feel bad, then went on ranting and raving how Imus' words made her feel bad!! HUH? Imus has been doing this type of "humor" for 20 years (Bad), offensive, distasteful... the point is, only a few people would even know about this awful attempt at humor if it wasn't for the INSANE press coverage since it happened. The whole thing is RIDICULOUS!! and it is a DISTRACTION!

thanks, Rob Bartlett was the one I was thinking of.

His looks??? :D

Finally something I can agree with from Morty :eek:

Proctor and Gamble is thinking about pulling out. One big one down possibly. Imus may be gone from certain airwaves.

Pgardn, do you really know how this reads?

Goodness, I'm taking up Caj's habits.

Proctor and Gamble has the big one. Imus, I think some serious shrinkage is probably a kind description at this point.

If a woman was to qualify for the Masters, she would have the opportunity to make the cut.

Oh my God, we made it a whole 12 pages before the paranoid conservativitis came out. Bababooyee, how could you? You started it and look what you did! (above) ;)

Ah, there's nothing like the righteous anger of the empowered. Please, conservatives convinced they are constantly under attack, post an example of a scandal where, if the offender was in fact, a conservative, his or her conservative leaning became the focus of the media response to the attack. I won't be holding my breath awaiting the response (B, did you ever get back to me on the Israel thing? ;) ).

Imus, I think, can truly be called an independent, since he doesn't hew to either party line. Which leaves him with no one to hide behind. Conservatives feel he betrayed the cause when he came out against the Iraq war and liberals haven't forgiven him for things he said years ago. He's a man without a party. And without a new hairstyle since Reagan was in office.

And the "Daily Show"'s segment on the media orgy over this whole flap was hilarious. Cannon, you would have loved it. Catch it in rerun if you can.

Conservative and proud of it, but not paranoid.

SOMEHOW, CAN'T SEE CANON AS A FAN OF THAT SHOW.I think one of the things that makes it interesting is that IMUS has been so quick to ask that others get fired(for this n' that.) I thought it was pretty unique T.V. to see him lie about whether he thought what he said was funny (at the time he said it.) I think it is interesting to see these women take advantage of a situation that IMUS was dumb enough to create.They see a fat pitch,and they are not gunna get cheated on the swing.Was funny seeing That opportunist Sharpton complain to Imus about him(IMUS) using the term "OLD CRACKER."

Oh those silly Negros !!!