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pgardn 10-08-2006 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
I'm into the way that both horses moved and how both horses performed on the track. You can tell the quality of the horse by watching them move and run in races. IMO, Bernardini was definitely better. IMO, Smarty Jones doesn't even compare to Bernardini. In fact, I also think that Barbaro, Afleet Alex, and Point Given were better horses than Smarty Jones. And I think that Bernardini could have beaten all of them, although Point Given may could have given him a run for his money. Point Given was also another very talented animal.

This is really pointless.
Again into the looks. By your posts only Point Given could possibly be given the title. Point Given was a horribly unattentive horse in his early 3's. His derby was bad, showed his lack a complete lack of why he is on the track. His Preakness was a again sloppy, as he enjoyed looking at the crowd while winning. His Belmont was awesome. They got him to understand what he was supposed to do. And then his races after that were all very professional. So of course because he was big, bred well you think he moved well. Watch the Derby and the Preakness again and you will see how raw PG was at that time.

We are clearly wearing diff lenses and put emphasis on a very different part of the sport. I dont give a flying flip about how pretty a coat, or how well muscled a horse is until he has to show guts. Thats the difference here.

kentuckyrosesinmay 10-08-2006 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by pgardn
ANd I was a nonbeliever in Smarty to begin with. Here was the process.

1. Must win the Arkansas to get into the Derby, the pressure is on, will he fold, no. I thought he would.
2. The Derby. Sloppy track, could be a fluke. The field destroyed.
3. Preakness. Some of the good runners holding off till the Belmont. Crushes the field. Im saying Ok he is good.
4. BELMONT: Double teamed by two very very good horses, he crushes them both, he HOLDS form grudgingly letting Birdstone by, in one of the most wonderful displays of courage I have ever seen by a horse.

Smarty JOnes was shaking in his stall after the race. He could barely stand. The horse was magical. Small, breeding questionable compared to many others, so some people blow the performance off. THAT BELMONT WAS ONE OF THE GREATEST DISPLAYS OF EFFORT EVER.

Smarty is annointed by Pope pgardn at that point. One loss in his career. His last. AT 1 1/2 miles. Dont diss my Smarty. He got the chance to show his stuff. Lets hope Bernardini gets that chance by please letting him run at Four... This is just not a deep BCC year. Megs, Congaree, Pleasantly Perfect, a younger Perfect Drift, where are you...
I wasn't dissing Smarty. I loved the horse too, but I was making the observation that he just wasn't as good as some of these other horses...

Oh, but we have Invasor, Sun King, Lava Man, and David Junior.

kentuckyrosesinmay 10-08-2006 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by pgardn
Again into the looks. By your posts only Point Given could possibly be given the title. Point Given was a horribly unattentive horse in his early 3's. His derby was bad, showed his lack a complete lack of why he is on the track. His Preakness was a again sloppy, as he enjoyed looking at the crowd while winning. His Belmont was awesome. They got him to understand what he was supposed to do. And then his races after that were all very professional. So of course because he was big, bred well you think he moved well. Watch the Derby and the Preakness again and you will see how raw PG was at that time.

We are clearly wearing diff lenses and put emphasis on a very different part of the sport. I dont give a flying flip about how pretty a coat, or how well muscled a horse is until he has to show guts. Thats the difference here.
I never said that PG moved well. I said that he was a better horse than Smarty Jones. It is all about how the horses perform on the racetrack. That is why I don't understand how people can't recognize how great of a horse Bernardini is. His performances are flawless.

pgardn 10-08-2006 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
I never said that PG moved well. I said that he was a better horse than Smarty Jones. It is all about how the horses perform on the racetrack. That is why I don't understand how people can't recognize how great of a horse Bernardini is. His performances are flawless.
Yes they are. Flawless. The horse looks like the real deal. But I personally have another criteria for greatness, not just talented. I hope he gets his chance to show it. You say he is Tiger Woods. I say he has not faced enough good competition to be recognized as such.

Run him at 4. Please. Otherwise. Larry Holmes. For those of you that used to be, or are still into boxing. A great boxer. But never put up as the close to the best. Because he boxed at the wrong time. Again not Larry/horses fault. And there is no way I put the horses you mentioned that might be in the BCC at the same talent level as Congaree, Pleasantly Perfect, and Megs. No way. All of these horses were warriors and proved so numerous times.

Cannon Shell 10-08-2006 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by pgardn
Yes they are. Flawless. The horse looks like the real deal. But I personally have another criteria for greatness, not just talented. I hope he gets his chance to show it. You say he is Tiger Woods. I say he has not faced enough good competition to be recognized as such.

Run him at 4. Please. Otherwise. Larry Holmes. For those of you that used to be, or are still into boxing. A great boxer. But never put up as the close to the best. Because he boxed at the wrong time. Again not Larry/horses fault. And there is no way I put the horses you mentioned that might be in the BCC at the same talent level as Congaree, Pleasantly Perfect, and Megs. No way. All of these horses were warriors and proved so numerous times.

Pleasantly Perfect made 17 starts over 3 campaigns. Not exactly a warrior schedule.

pgardn 10-08-2006 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Pleasantly Perfect made 17 starts over 3 campaigns. Not exactly a warrior schedule.

And look at the level of those races and the competion. He battled the best, even when he was too old to stay with them. Bernardini wont even run at 4.

Cannon Shell 10-08-2006 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by pgardn
And look at the level of those races and the competion. He battled the best, even when he was too old to stay with them. Bernardini wont even run at 4.

True and true

ateamstupid 10-08-2006 04:10 PM
I love Smarty. But he's not in Bernardini's class.

Downthestretch55 10-08-2006 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
I love Smarty. But he's not in Bernardini's class.
Well said Ateam.
Let's just enjoy this one.

ateamstupid 10-08-2006 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Downthestretch55
Well said Ateam.
Let's just enjoy this one.
That's impossible for some of these people. Enjoy a tremendous horse? No.. Can't do that. We have to tear him apart and wait for the next tremendous horse.. So we can.. You know.. Tear that one apart.

Downthestretch55 10-08-2006 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
That's impossible for some of these people. Enjoy a tremendous horse? No.. Can't do that. We have to tear him apart and wait for the next tremendous horse.. So we can.. You know.. Tear that one apart.
Good you see it.
He's not Larry Holmes.
Nor dare I say, the next Secretariat.
Some of these folks remind me of my uncle.
He'd chug two glasses of metamucile before going to bed.
Wake up in the morning and go for the ex-lax.
Chug it down with coffee and a cigar or two while sitting on the can.
Waiting and waiting.
Pushing and pushing.
Uhh! Uhh!!!
Maybe if he just relaxed and let it happen, it would have happened.
My guess is that he just tried too hard to make it that way.
To make a long story short, he died with a frown on his face. Nothing the funeral director could do would make him look comfortable in his coffin.
Yup!
Terminal constipation.
Moral of story...this sh-t will kill ya.

Pointg5 10-08-2006 04:38 PM
We need Repent to go Smarty on Bernardini, that will send some over the top...

Come on Repent, you are great at this, you can do it, I remember in the Spring of 2004, your Smarty rants were things of beauty...

Downthestretch55 10-08-2006 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Pointg5
We need Repent to go Smarty on Bernardini, that will send some over the top...

Come on Repent, you are great at this, you can do it, I remember in the Spring of 2004, your Smarty rants were things of beauty...
Actually, I like Repent. Never a question as to where he stands (or sits).
So, Point, why do you need him to speak for you?
UMM, ERR, HUH???
Fight your own battles.
Your asking for Repent to chime in is ridiculous as Nostra's brother going against Oracle.
No contest.

Pointg5 10-08-2006 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Downthestretch55
Actually, I like Repent. Never a question as to where he stands (or sits).
So, Point, why do you need him to speak for you?
UMM, ERR, HUH???
Fight your own battles.
Your asking for Repent to chime in is ridiculous as Nostra's brother going against Oracle.
No contest.
I can't do it the justice that Repent can, I was a big fan of Smarty and he had me seething behind the keyboard more than once with his rants. I am not in the same league with what he can come up with, he's much better, he'll have the Bernardini cheerleaders crying, no doubt about it...

Downthestretch55 10-08-2006 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Pointg5
I can't do it the justice that Repent can, I was a big fan of Smarty and he had me seething behind the keyboard more than once with his rants. I am not in the same league with what he can come up with, he's much better, he'll have the Bernardini cheerleaders crying, no doubt about it...
Hey,
I was at Smarty's Belmont. It's burned in my memory.
I loved that one. The only ones that saved that day for me were Board Elligible and Fire Slam. Do I hate smarty cause he was ganged? No. Gutsy!
Now it's time to live in the now.
Berna is the best we've had in quite a while.
'Nuf said.

ateamstupid 10-08-2006 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Pointg5
We need Repent to go Smarty on Bernardini, that will send some over the top...

Come on Repent, you are great at this, you can do it, I remember in the Spring of 2004, your Smarty rants were things of beauty...
Repent loves Bernardini. Sorry.

pgardn 10-08-2006 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
I love Smarty. But he's not in Bernardini's class.
I most vehmently disagree at this point. I need more.

Revolution 10-08-2006 05:00 PM
bernardini would destroy smarty jones. would not be competitive. this is an incredible specimen. he is perfectly bred and his action is flawless.

1st_Saturday_in_May 10-08-2006 05:01 PM
Instead of sitting around and waiting for Bernardini to lose, why cant some people just enjoy whats right in front of them?

pgardn 10-08-2006 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 1st_Saturday_in_May
Instead of sitting around and waiting for Bernardini to lose, why cant some people just enjoy whats right in front of them?

I want what is sitting right in front of us to show himself. Not destroy horrible 4 horse fields. That we have 4 horses running in a race like this clearly shows the level of competition. Nil. His most impressive race, the Preakness. For 3 year olds.

Smarty ran against much better horses and had a much more difficult schedule. Bernardini has got to waltz around thus far. Cmon folks he is not gonna be in a BC field with horses Like Roses in May, Ghostzapper, Congaree, Megs, Pleasantly Perfect. Jeez Louise. This has been a bad year. We started out nicely and horses have just gone down the tubes with injuries. I hope Lava Man can give him a go and they just bust each other up. But the horse dont travel. Im not holding my breath. Quit trying to sugar coat everything. The level of depth is cellophane thickness.

If Bernardini and Lava Man for some odd reason dont make it to the BCC, what have we got left, healthy, ready and top notch?


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