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Cannon Shell 05-22-2010 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 650280)
The state owns NYRA make no mistake about it. NYRA is as independant as my 6 year old son. They rake as told, they expand or contract as told, basically they are an oversight group. The funny part is you all think I am ANTI NYRA ? Why would I be? The new group is wonderful but to think the guys running the park system are less entitled to the states money is comical at best?

Why do i bother...

Cannon Shell 05-22-2010 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 650282)
NOBODY suggests NYRA isnt 100% correct in there demands of the State ...The State is in financial turmoil do you understand that or you figure they are printing money like Obama?

If NYRA is correct then explain your posts. The state isnt so broke that it cant spare the $17 million dollars it owes. The idea that some hospital will close because NYRA gets paid what it is owed is pretty much nonsensical. If the state REALLY wanted to do what is in the best interests of NYRA, the state, NYCOTB and ultimately the citizens it would have disbanded NYCOTB and turned the off track betting rights to NYC over to NYRA.

But like the VLT debacle, they continue to let petty political corruption get in the way of progress and profitability. Racing in NY should not only be a strong, vibrant industry, it with the combo of VLT's and an increasingly better racing program should be churning out money for the state. Instead NYRA is out of money, NYCOTB is totally paralyzed and there hasn't been a dime of tax revenue produced by the Aqu VLTs. And every finger should be pointed directly at the state of NY's politcal bosses. They made this mess, now they don't want to clean it up.

freddymo 05-22-2010 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 650304)
Why do i bother...

You guys are so close to the trees you dont see the forest. Byk makes me laugh on the air with his narrow opinion.. Trickle down economicas is my favorite lol like offering the same breaks to GM doesnt have the same if not better trickle done result?

Steve, Carolina would have been a huge earn today the fn food stands were packed..Ship in a kiosk ASAP lol

Cannon Shell 05-22-2010 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 650307)
You guys are so close to the trees you dont see the forest. Byk makes me laugh on the air with his narrow opinion.. Trickle down economicas is my favorite lol like offering the same breaks to GM doesnt have the same if not better trickle done result?

Steve, Carolina would have been a huge earn today the fn food stands were packed..Ship in a kiosk ASAP lol

Freddy you compare NYRA to toll collectors. Do i need to say more?

freddymo 05-22-2010 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 650306)
If NYRA is correct then explain your posts. The state isnt so broke that it cant spare the $17 million dollars it owes. The idea that some hospital will close because NYRA gets paid what it is owed is pretty much nonsensical. If the state REALLY wanted to do what is in the best interests of NYRA, the state, NYCOTB and ultimately the citizens it would have disbanded NYCOTB and turned the off track betting rights to NYC over to NYRA.

But like the VLT debacle, they continue to let petty political corruption get in the way of progress and profitability. Racing in NY should not only be a strong, vibrant industry, it with the combo of VLT's and an increasingly better racing program should be churning out money for the state. Instead NYRA is out of money, NYCOTB is totally paralyzed and there hasn't been a dime of tax revenue produced by the Aqu VLTs. And every finger should be pointed directly at the state of NY's politcal bosses. They made this mess, now they don't want to clean it up.

Please NYRA needs slots like I need cancer. They are capable of sustaining the meets without slots, Didnt they for the last 50 years ?Delaware had 6 and 7 horse fields today Philly was lucky to get 7 horses in a field both have slots table games and hookers. Racing doesnt need slots it needs less racing. The friggin 15k had 5 or 6 claims at MP today hello world this is what racing can be? Activity on all sides of the coin.. The claim box rocking, the handle rocking. attendance rocking, all we need is slots to pollute the air?

freddymo 05-22-2010 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 650309)
Freddy you compare NYRA to toll collectors. Do i need to say more?

Yep that condition book must be a real puzzle..They are fn toll collectors.. What does NYRA do other then facilitate the rake? Please its a non profit which is in business to make sure the rake is as big as it can be nothing more and nothing less and I hope they succeed

Cannon Shell 05-22-2010 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 650314)
Please NYRA needs slots like I need cancer. They are capable of sustaining the meets without slots, Didnt they for the last 50 years ?Delaware had 6 and 7 horse fields today Philly was lucky to get 7 horses in a field both have slots table games and hookers. Racing doesnt need slots it needs less racing. The friggin 15k had 5 or 6 claims at MP today hello world this is what racing can be? Activity on all sides of the coin.. The claim box rocking, the handle rocking. attendance rocking, all we need is slots to pollute the air?

We didnt have toll collectors 50 years ago either

Cannon Shell 05-22-2010 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 650318)
Yep that condition book must be a real puzzle..They are fn toll collectors.. What does NYRA do other then facilitate the rake? Please its a non profit which is in business to make sure the rake is as big as it can be nothing more and nothing less and I hope they succeed

They are a non-profit because that is the only way that the state can maintain control over the business. They knew if they disbanded NYRA and brought in a for profit company they would have to cut the tentacles wraped around the business in the form of NYCOTB and the choice of the VLT partner. Once the debacle of bidding on the franchise had run its course it was the only way for the state to save face.

freddymo 05-22-2010 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerS (Post 650323)
NYRA has consistently pushed for lower takeout

They pushed and implemented stricter drug testing

They have player friendly scratch rules on pick 3

Not saints, no one running racing is, but better then the other folks running other tracks

Yep and they are still toll collectors

Cannon Shell 05-22-2010 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerS (Post 650323)
NYRA has consistently pushed for lower takeout

They pushed and implemented stricter drug testing

They have player friendly scratch rules on pick 3

Not saints, no one running racing is, but better then the other folks running other tracks

NYRA does not test for drugs

freddymo 05-22-2010 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 650326)
NYRA does not test for drugs

Obviously otherwise super horseman TAP would not be as successful

Cannon Shell 05-22-2010 09:34 PM

The state of NY conducts the testing at SUNY Morrisville

Coach Pants 05-22-2010 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 650314)
Please NYRA needs slots like I need cancer. They are capable of sustaining the meets without slots, Didnt they for the last 50 years ?Delaware had 6 and 7 horse fields today Philly was lucky to get 7 horses in a field both have slots table games and hookers. Racing doesnt need slots it needs less racing. The friggin 15k had 5 or 6 claims at MP today hello world this is what racing can be? Activity on all sides of the coin.. The claim box rocking, the handle rocking. attendance rocking, all we need is slots to pollute the air?


NYS is basically knocking the teeth out of NYRA and ramming it down their throats and NYRA can't get enough of it. They love playing the battered woman.

freddymo 05-22-2010 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 650335)
NYS is basically knocking the teeth out of NYRA and ramming it down their throats and NYRA can't get enough of it. They love playing the battered woman.

I good shot across the chops keeps them in line!!!

Coach Pants 05-22-2010 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 650338)
I good shot across the chops keeps them in line!!!

Temporary fixes are not going to change the sport for the better in the long-term and chances are slots are going to take horse racing to the brink of extinction before it's all said and done.

What this sport needs is less grovelers (democrats) in power and more trailblazers. Not the ones from Portland either.

Princess Doreen 05-23-2010 10:14 AM

Jerry Bossert/NY Daily News article - Sunday, May 23

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/mo...last_race.html


With horse racing in NY in financial trouble, News examines how it got there, and how to fix it

Patrick333 05-23-2010 10:45 AM

What's the over/under on when they'll get a casino?


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