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2Hot4TV 04-03-2010 06:50 AM
To be HOMO or not to be HOMO,


































It's a choice! :D

Sightseek 04-03-2010 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 631234)
i got into an argument (probably a waste of time on my part) with a woman i used to work with, who said 'god wouldn't make gay people'. so she said they must choose to be so. :rolleyes:
I work with someone like that and yesterday, she was talking with someone else about American Idol and when the other girl mentioned Ellen Degeneres the woman felt a need to say "I just don't agree with that lifestyle!" That had absolutely nothing to do with the conversation, but she felt compelled to say it.

Danzig 04-03-2010 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by brianwspencer (Post 631862)
And the problem is that, and I'm speaking from great experience here, but very general experience, that "don't push it on me," means don't hold hands in public, don't kiss your partner on the cheek, don't give me ANY idea at all that you're gay and we'll be great friends!

That's not exactly a welcome mat for gay folks...though lots of conservative heteros like to think it is, until you really flesh out what "don't push it on me," means to them -- nine times out of ten, it's 'please don't make me feel uncomfortable and even realize you're gay....if i have no clue at any point that you're gay, then I support you...otherwise you're pushing it in my face.'

It's a pretty important point to make.
that's what gets me, when folks say that. exactly what does that mean? how does one push ones sexual orientation? if i tell a gay person that i'm married, am i pushing my straightness on them? maybe it's similar to someone explaining they aren't racist and mentioning they have a black friend.? my mother in law has a black friend, she's still racist through and through. yet she mentions she has one as a way of saying, no, when i say n_____ i'm not really being racist.

Danzig 04-03-2010 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by GBBob (Post 631850)
That is is a great post..But do you think they should have equal rights and benefits as married couples do?
i know you asked nascar, but i'll answer. emphatically, yes! it's odd-we proclaim ourselves as the land of the free, yet other countries are ahead of us in this regard. whether states wish to recognize is one thing, i think the feds need to lead the way here. after all, it's our constitution that says all are created equal...now, arkansas' state constitution on the other hand......ugh.

AeWingnut 04-03-2010 04:55 PM
Polygamist

hi_im_god 04-03-2010 05:28 PM
It all boils down to treating a person with dignity and respect no matter what thier filthy deviation is as long as they also treat you with dignity and respect. I have no problems with a person who is a pervert. Ive met people like that before. Dont push it on me and we will get along just fine.

this just seems more honest.

Antitrust32 04-05-2010 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by hi_im_god (Post 632090)
It all boils down to treating a person with dignity and respect no matter what thier filthy deviation is as long as they also treat you with dignity and respect. I have no problems with a person who is a pervert. Ive met people like that before. Dont push it on me and we will get along just fine.

this just seems more honest.

thats just not fair.

ateamstupid 04-05-2010 07:56 AM
I always love the "I'm fine with it, but just don't push it on me" qualified acceptance sentiment.

Chances are if chicks aren't beating your door down, gay guys think you're ugly too.

And what do you care if a gay guy hits on you? Tell him you're not interested and walk away. How is that any different from a chick you think is ugly hitting on you?

Antitrust32 04-05-2010 07:59 AM
I honestly took Nascar's "dont push it on me" as basically "just dont hit on me" which is a perfectly fine response. If he meant it as "dont let me know or ever talk about your partner and I'm cool".. then thats one thing. If he doesnt want a man to hit on him, there really is no problem in that.

It would be nice to see Nascar clarify that statement, but he might be getting some unfair criticism.

ateamstupid 04-05-2010 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 632651)
I honestly took Nascar's "dont push it on me" as basically "just dont hit on me" which is a perfectly fine response. If he meant it as "dont let me know or ever talk about your partner and I'm cool".. then thats one thing. If he doesnt want a man to hit on him, there really is no problem in that.

It would be nice to see Nascar clarify that statement, but he might be getting some unfair criticism.
The point is that it presupposes that getting hit on by gay men is a frequent enough issue for him that he has to include that qualification. Somehow I doubt that's the case. It also implies that being hit on by a gay guy is somehow more offensive/dangerous/scary than being hit on by an ugly girl, and I don't understand why/how that is.

Antitrust32 04-05-2010 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 632662)
The point is that it presupposes that getting hit on by gay men is a frequent enough issue for him that he has to include that qualification. Somehow I doubt that's the case. It also implies that being hit on by a gay guy is somehow more offensive/dangerous/scary than being hit on by an ugly girl, and I don't understand why/how that is.
some guys just feel really uncomfortable being hit on by a gay man. Other guys (like you) are more comfortable with their own sexuality, and it wont bother them much to just say "no" to a gay guy and move on.

neither reaction is wrong, and you are correct, there is probably a 99% chance Nascar will not be hit on by any gay guys anyway.

philcski 04-05-2010 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 632671)
some guys just feel really uncomfortable being hit on by a gay man. Other guys (like you) are more comfortable with their own sexuality, and it wont bother them much to just say "no" to a gay guy and move on.

neither reaction is wrong, and you are correct, there is probably a 99% chance Nascar will not be hit on by any gay guys anyway.
Agree with this. I got hit on by gay guys when I lived in NY ALL THE TIME. Didn't bother me at all. Some of my friends would get extremely uncomfortable when even approached. It's really how comfortable you are with yourself than anything else.

The Indomitable DrugS 04-05-2010 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by philcski (Post 632686)
Agree with this. I got hit on by gay guys when I lived in NY ALL THE TIME. Didn't bother me at all.
Nope.

You just responded by buying another pink shirt.

philcski 04-05-2010 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 632690)
Nope.

You just responded by buying another pink shirt.
LOL... I'm wearing one right now, just for you.

brianwspencer 04-05-2010 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Antitrust32 (Post 632651)
I honestly took Nascar's "dont push it on me" as basically "just dont hit on me" which is a perfectly fine response. If he meant it as "dont let me know or ever talk about your partner and I'm cool".. then thats one thing. If he doesnt want a man to hit on him, there really is no problem in that.

It would be nice to see Nascar clarify that statement, but he might be getting some unfair criticism.
I was hoping he'd respond, too. The post I made after he wrote that was important because for LOTS of people "don't push it on me," means FAR less than "don't hit on me." Their idea of having sexuality "pushed" on them is any time they actually have to wind up being aware that gay people exist and live normal lives and have partners, etc. Non-excessive public affection (ie, a kiss on the cheek, holding hands, etc) is "pushing it on them."

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 632650)
Chances are if chicks aren't beating your door down, gay guys think you're ugly too.
LOL. Chances are that if chicks think you're ugly, gay men think you're even worse...and probably say lots of nastier stuff about you behind your back because of it.

Cannon Shell 04-05-2010 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Sightseek (Post 631884)
I work with someone like that and yesterday, she was talking with someone else about American Idol and when the other girl mentioned Ellen Degeneres the woman felt a need to say "I just don't agree with that lifestyle!" That had absolutely nothing to do with the conversation, but she felt compelled to say it.
Perhaps she was referring to people who watch American Idol?

I have no problem with gay people but those who watch American idol....They worry me...

slotdirt 04-05-2010 03:54 PM
Six pages of discussion on this and nobody has just gone right to the source and asked GPK or Scav? Shame.

ateamstupid 04-05-2010 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 632757)
Perhaps she was referring to people who watch American Idol?

I have no problem with gay people but those who watch American idol....They worry me...
:tro:

2MinsToPost 04-05-2010 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 632757)
Perhaps she was referring to people who watch American Idol?

I have no problem with gay people but those who watch American idol....They worry me...
Amen brother.

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