Originally Posted by Quiet Chris

Last I checked it was our giving weapons to the Afghan army to fight the Russians that allowed the problems in Afghanistan to come about.

Learn something about history before making moronic statements.

The US created the Taliban with its ridiculous interventionist policies.

Originally Posted by Danzig

makes you wonder what chris would do if he was walking down the street and witnessed a guy attacking a girl. i'm betting he'd pull his hat down a bit lower, stick his hands in his pockets, begin to whistle and act nonchalant, while pretending not to see what was happening. after all, it's not chris' problem. people get attacked every day, why should he care?
there were isolationists back during WW2 as well..
fact remains, altho the 'majority' chris proclaims to speak for may feel we should remain locked in our own little world, the realities of these situations is quite different. anyone other than uneducated horse trainers (j/k cannon, i'm cracking wise because of a certain remark above somewhere) would know that you don't pretend to not see what's going on, especially when it's your allies taking the heat. thankfully for this country, we were the recipient of aid back when we needed it. and now, altho we may not be quite as rich as we thought we were, we can certainly take care of our own, as well as those abroad who are less fortunate. especially when it's one of the lone democracies in that area. we have influence, and have every reason to use it-always wisely hopefully.

Originally Posted by Quiet Chris

Last I checked it was our giving weapons to the Afghan army to fight the Russians that allowed the problems in Afghanistan to come about.
Learn something about history before making moronic statements.

The US created the Taliban with its ridiculous interventionist policies.

Originally Posted by Quiet Chris

Last I checked it was our giving weapons to the Afghan army to fight the Russians that allowed the problems in Afghanistan to come about.

Learn something about history before making moronic statements.

The US created the Taliban with its ridiculous interventionist policies.

Originally Posted by Quiet Chris

I would help the girl because my actions would actually mean something.

What is going to happen in the Middle East to change anything.

Please tell me, and while you are at it tell every Secretary or State and President this country has ever known. None of them have done a thing except throw billions of dollars into the cesspool of a region.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I'm sure that they would have been fine citizens of the USSR.

Originally Posted by Danzig

apparently you're refusing to believe that anything has happened over the years to change things. do the names sadat and begin mean anything at all to you?

Originally Posted by Quiet Chris

All I know is history is on my side, not yours. The Middle East has been a cesspool for centuries. That is what happens when religious wackos run every country in the region.

Let me know when they get a sustained peace there, then you can tell me the billions and billions of dollars we have sent into the cesspool of a region actually has worked. Keep waiting, it isn't ever going to happen. Crazy religious people are just that, crazy.

Originally Posted by Quiet Chris

Yeah, last I checked the country of Afghanistan is virtually impossible to take over. If you think differently, go spend a few weeks there and explore the terrain. It is an impossible country to take over, which the idiots in our government are about to find out. Our intelligence agencies have said for decades that Afghanistan is a dead end for anyone that tries to occupy it.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Great argument. So we should have let Hitler win in Europe? Let Japan take Eastern Asia? Let Russia park missiles in Cuba? Let Korea become Communist? The World would be a better place then? The middle East may be a pain in the ass but last I looked some of those wacko religious countries were sponsoring terrorism and developing nuclear bombs. Should we just let Isreal take them out first and worry about the fallout later?

Originally Posted by Quiet Chris

Great. So they should raise their taxes and pay for the military they need to protect them. This is not my problem or any taxpayer in americas problem.

Why should I be paying higher taxes so Israelis and Egyptians can pay lower taxes?

We have a situation where some working class americans are paying taxes to give aid to countries like Israel and Egypt, and there are plenty of wealthy people in their countries living better lives than working class americans. Let their people buy their own weapons. Not my problem.

Originally Posted by Danzig

or, you could look at our aid to the afgans as one tool in our fight to win the cold war. you do know we won that, right?

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Well, the Saudis are raising money all the time to give to those willing to destroy Israel. Are we supposed to sit back like the world did when the Nazis killed all those Jews for being of a specific race? Would you have been willing to fight to stop that from taking place? They don't want you to, but I think a little help for actual friends is money well spent. Whether we like it or not, we have a common enemy(Islam is not a friend of those who value freedom.)

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Great argument. So we should have let Hitler win in Europe? Let Japan take Eastern Asia? Let Russia park missiles in Cuba? Let Korea become Communist? The World would be a better place then? The middle East may be a pain in the ass but last I looked some of those wacko religious countries were sponsoring terrorism and developing nuclear bombs. Should we just let Isreal take them out first and worry about the fallout later?

Originally Posted by Quiet Chris

We didn't need to give aid to Afghanistan and we still would have won the cold war. Afghanistan is impossible to take over.

Go watch a movie like Charlie Wilson's War and you will see how the US never wanted the Afghans to win the war, they just wanted the Russians bogged down there.

And you still don't address the fact that our aid to Afghanistan created the Taliban. I guess you just like to look past that part. :eek:

Originally Posted by Danzig

yep, apparently that's exactly what we're supposed to do. same as in darfur, has nothing to do with us. or somalia, bosnia, etc....

Originally Posted by Quiet Chris

I would help the girl because my actions would actually mean something.

What is going to happen in the Middle East to change anything.

Please tell me, and while you are at it tell every Secretary or State and President this country has ever known. None of them have done a thing except throw billions of dollars into the cesspool of a region.

Originally Posted by Quiet Chris

No. Because those battles involved American interests. There were real powers involved that were a threat to the US. Not some little crazy middle east countries that are full of religious wackos.

Originally Posted by Quiet Chris

We didn't need to give aid to Afghanistan and we still would have won the cold war. Afghanistan is impossible to take over.

Go watch a movie like Charlie Wilson's War and you will see how the US never wanted the Afghans to win the war, they just wanted the Russians bogged down there.

And you still don't address the fact that our aid to Afghanistan created the Taliban. I guess you just like to look past that part. :eek:

Originally Posted by Danzig

you're barking up the wrong tree if you think i will go watch a movie to get an actual, usable history lesson. do you think the movie jfk was real too? and i would disagree that we didn't need to give aid. if the ussr was for something, generally it would be bad for the u.s. you do remember that we were their sworn enemy?
we also backed iraq when they fought iran-that probably gives you the heebie-jeebies just thinking about it.