Yeah, I'd probably steer Pyro away from synthetic tracks in the future if I were in charge, there's still a few natural dirt tracks in the US

totally agree, he did not run 1 step today, so basicely he's going into the derby off of a layoff of....almost 8 weeks, this race is a total total throw out, so now he in my mind has not raced since march 8th, where in my opinion he beat a weak group then, in a slow time.

i pray they bet this horse hard, i think he could run last.

Unless he gets hurt or something else REALLY strange happens during the race, there is absolutely no way that horse finishes last going 10f on the dirt against some of the ones that are sure to be entered in the race.

i would caution against completely tossing pyro in may.

war pass ran a remarkably bad race in the tampa bay derby, and came back to run a pretty strong race in the wood.

pyro has had nothing going wrong on dirt.

It was terrible, but it was a surface he clearly hated. Would anyone be excited about backing Kip Deville or English Channel if they threw him out against Curlin and co on dirt? It's a rare animal indeed that can perfom at the top levels on all surfaces, but a bad performance on one not preferred can be excused. Now the question with Pyro is whether something is wrong, whether he isn't good, or whether he needs to get back on dirt to run his race. That's why they call it gambling and now you'll get some odds to help backing Pyro if you like him.

No there isn't more to it. It's fairly simple to figure out.

Pyro is a dead closer. He didn't take to the track. He finished where dead closers finish on a surface they don't fancy.

so, if curlin makes it to the bc classic and gets his bright red butt handed to him, how many will blame the switch to poly? i'd bet plenty.

poly is NOT dirt. i think the analogy above about putting kip deville vs curlin is right on. people have got to come to the realization that there are now three surfaces in this sport. not, turf and then dirt/poly. dirt and poly are not the same in any way. some can make the move, just like some can run on dirt and turf. but it's not a given.
you look at any pyro race before yesterday, what do you see? look at the poly sires list, who is missing?

i agree. i mean, monba won. does anyone really think the bluegrass tells us anything about what will happen in three weeks??

I dont think you will have to worry about the "Bounce factor" when Pyro runs next.

LOL at his bright red butt ... :D

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if all the big names are off the board, what does that say? i vote for tossing this race. and i am officially on the visionaire bandwagon! at least for the next 20 minutes...

The Bluegrass will not tell us anything. Last year with Street Sense told us the same thing.

Street Sense at least put forth an effort on the stuff ...

Street Cry's are also doing far better on the synthetics than Pulpit's.

True, but Pyro and a few others had nothing to gain by running hard in this race. It was, what amounts to be a public workout for Pyro. Like someone mentioned in another thread, Asmussen not showing up was a good indicator he knew the horse wasn't going to be close to the winners circle.

I just watched the replay again, it looked like Kentucky Bear was running on the wrong lead at the end. He was running very hard and was drifting in. With nobody inside of him, I'm surprised the jock didn't switch him and let him go inside the top 2 finishers. If anyone has a second, check it out and let me know if that was a possibility or if, as usual I'm just seeing this wrong. Thanks!