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fpsoxfan 03-30-2008 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I was playing when they did this. It was a little bit more inconvenient than before, but really, for integrity's sake I was okay with it. Honestly, I always look at it like if I get shut out, it's MY fault. There is plenty of time to make a bet before a race. I mean if you are in an area of a racetrack, OTB, etc that is really busy, there is a chance you are going to get shut out no matter what if you aren't paying attention.

I feel the same way, but shutting down the windows early is going to increase my chances of getting shut out.

fpsoxfan 03-30-2008 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
So bet earlier. At Saratoga like you say, you watch the horses come out of the paddock, like I do, and then you make your bet. You have a good 10 minutes from that point to bet. I can honestly say that in 14 years of going to Saratoga I have been shut out maybe a handful of times. All those times were because I was drunk and screwing around.



:D I'm glad I've never been that way at the Spa before.

cmorioles 03-31-2008 05:35 AM

Steve Crist wrote a great article, as usual, at DRF about this topic in DRF.

http://www.drf.com/drfNewsArticle.do?NID=93283

bogeydaman 05-18-2008 10:04 AM

Here we go again (though what the hell is the guy doing buying $1300 in "quick picks").

CHRB Probes Derby Quick Pick Superfecta
Email Print RSS by Jack Shinar
Date Posted: May 17, 2008
Last Updated: May 17, 2008

An irregularity discovered in "quick pick" superfectas that were wagered on the May 3 Kentucky Derby (gr. I) in Northern California is being investigated by the California Horse Racing Board, the agency's executive director said May 17.

The investigation was launched after a bettor at Bay Meadows purchased 1,300 $1 quick picks for the Kentucky Derby superfecta, in which the first four finishers must be listed in exact order on the ticket. The bettor discovered that he did not have the number "20" once among the 5,200 possibilities. The race, of course, was won by Big Brown, who was the number 20.

The winning Derby superfecta combination of "20-5-16-2" paid $29,368.90 for a $1 investment.

Kirk Breed, the CHRB's executive director, said the quick pick wagering option was suspended May 4 after the discovery of the irregularity. He said agency investigators are trying to determine if Scientific Games, California's bet processing hub, "had any prior knowledge of the defect." He said the investigation is continuing.

A Scientific Games spokesman said that the malfunction has been "isolated to a software glitch in BetJet wagering terminals."

Tom Hodgkins, vice president of government and public relations for SG, added that "the last runner appears to have been excluded" from the quick pick mix.

He said he did not know how much had been wagered on quick picks through the terminals in question or whether the problem also affected other races. He said he doesn't know how many of the machines are being used in California.

"We were only informed of this yesterday afternoon," he said May 17. "We're really just at the front end of this investigation. It will be ongoing."

Breed said the quick pick option will remain inactive until Scientific Games can demonstrate that the malfunction is remedied. Hodgkins said the quick pick buttons on on BetJet teller and self-service machines are being physically removed from the wager boards.

"At this point we have nothing that says there was any impropriety," Breed said. "Our investigative unit is looking into it, as well as our auditors."

Asked if the matter was being investigated by the FBI, as initially rumored, Breed said, "Not to my knowledge."

"At some point," he added later, "we will be asking for outside assistance, yes."

Breed said that the Association of Racing Commissioners International's Integrity Services division has been notified of the issue.

"What happened is the bettor showed his trainer that the number 20 didn't show up on any of the 1,300 tickets," Breed said. "The trainer told the stewards at Bay Meadows that there is a malfunction and they informed us."

Ted Shaine, manager of the western quantum data center for Scientific Games in Sacramento, said, "I have no idea about any of that. I can't answer anything."

Centralizing bets taken from throughout the country, the facility opened in early 2007. It processed more than $19 million on Derby day last year.
Copyright © 2008 The Blood-Horse, Inc. All Rights Reserved.

docicu3 05-18-2008 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bogeydaman
Here we go again (though what the hell is the guy doing buying $1300 in "quick picks").

CHRB Probes Derby Quick Pick Superfecta
Email Print RSS by Jack Shinar
Date Posted: May 17, 2008
Last Updated: May 17, 2008

An irregularity discovered in "quick pick" superfectas that were wagered on the May 3 Kentucky Derby (gr. I) in Northern California is being investigated by the California Horse Racing Board, the agency's executive director said May 17.

The investigation was launched after a bettor at Bay Meadows purchased 1,300 $1 quick picks for the Kentucky Derby superfecta, in which the first four finishers must be listed in exact order on the ticket. The bettor discovered that he did not have the number "20" once among the 5,200 possibilities. The race, of course, was won by Big Brown, who was the number 20.

The winning Derby superfecta combination of "20-5-16-2" paid $29,368.90 for a $1 investment.

Kirk Breed, the CHRB's executive director, said the quick pick wagering option was suspended May 4 after the discovery of the irregularity. He said agency investigators are trying to determine if Scientific Games, California's bet processing hub, "had any prior knowledge of the defect." He said the investigation is continuing.

A Scientific Games spokesman said that the malfunction has been "isolated to a software glitch in BetJet wagering terminals."

Tom Hodgkins, vice president of government and public relations for SG, added that "the last runner appears to have been excluded" from the quick pick mix.

He said he did not know how much had been wagered on quick picks through the terminals in question or whether the problem also affected other races. He said he doesn't know how many of the machines are being used in California.

"We were only informed of this yesterday afternoon," he said May 17. "We're really just at the front end of this investigation. It will be ongoing."

Breed said the quick pick option will remain inactive until Scientific Games can demonstrate that the malfunction is remedied. Hodgkins said the quick pick buttons on on BetJet teller and self-service machines are being physically removed from the wager boards.

"At this point we have nothing that says there was any impropriety," Breed said. "Our investigative unit is looking into it, as well as our auditors."

Asked if the matter was being investigated by the FBI, as initially rumored, Breed said, "Not to my knowledge."

"At some point," he added later, "we will be asking for outside assistance, yes."

Breed said that the Association of Racing Commissioners International's Integrity Services division has been notified of the issue.

"What happened is the bettor showed his trainer that the number 20 didn't show up on any of the 1,300 tickets," Breed said. "The trainer told the stewards at Bay Meadows that there is a malfunction and they informed us."

Ted Shaine, manager of the western quantum data center for Scientific Games in Sacramento, said, "I have no idea about any of that. I can't answer anything."

Centralizing bets taken from throughout the country, the facility opened in early 2007. It processed more than $19 million on Derby day last year.
Copyright © 2008 The Blood-Horse, Inc. All Rights Reserved.

Without the guy winning with a past posted ticket it is difficult to know what to make of this as it does not seem to be an advantage in any way. I agree that any past posting is troubling which is why I started this thread but unless it is connected to some financial gain it's hard to get too worked up about this.

cmorioles 05-18-2008 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by docicu3
Without the guy winning with a past posted ticket it is difficult to know what to make of this as it does not seem to be an advantage in any way. I agree that any past posting is troubling which is why I started this thread but unless it is connected to some financial gain it's hard to get too worked up about this.

If you were the programmer, and really liked the favorite, leaving him off all the Quick Pick Supers could certainly help your price.

I'm not saying that happened, but who really knows?


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