I cant believe how bad that guy is!!!

Mr.Shill...I mean Shell.



You do have the cap problem correct. Fine work.


But really........shame on you for the rest.

I must just be watching a different game. Watching the Cavs come out flat in the third with three coach called plays to hughes was enough for me. Watching them get sloppy the last minute of the second quarter could have cost them the game. Having Snow on the floor taking the two biggest freethrows in the last 20 years in Cleveland is a joke. Boobie played great, if he wouldnt have put up 20+ they would have lost AGAIN. That would have been four times they out played Detroit and LOST. That cant fall on anyone but Brown. I mean Lebron carries them, he does it all, you have a superstar who wants to win. The guy doesnt care about the money, or the accolades, he just wants to be a champion. Thats the reason the series is tied.

Gotta run to Northfield Park, be back later

I believe that he was trying to get all he could from Hughes while he could. Snow made the FT he needed to make. He was on the floor for defensive purposes. You have to give Brown some credit for completely shutting Detroits 1/2 court offense down.
I understand that you are not used to being in this position but enjoy it a little. You can be bitter again when LeBron is a Knick.

With regard to Jones, he did not step onto the floor the Washington series or the first 5 games of the NJ series. In game 6 they played him with Marshall, and Gibson after they scored like 6 points in the 3rd quarter with James in foul trouble and they had a big 4th quarter with jones on the floor to blow the game out. Even though it was Marshall and Gibson and James that hit all the 3s that quarter, he did enough to get him back into the rotation for the Detroit series. The last 20 games of the regular season, and the first 9 playoff games, Jones pretty much did not step on the floor.

He didn't play for good reason....he is totally useless.

Ok then I have been reading this whole thread (skipping most of Morton's cause I cant read one post on the same screen). And out of all of this we the most astounding thing I have learned is we have 2 Cleveland fans.

God bless you poor guys. How much suffering can one sports town take? Football... dreadful last minute drives, fumbles next to the goal line and so many bad teams. Art Modell up and leaves and wins a Super Bowl.

Baseball... bad for so long, then some success and then bad. Dont watch them now but holy carbuncles so much pain.

Basketball... a history of pitiful to mediocre teams. Enter Lebron.

I'm serious if you can be a Cleveland sports fan without killing yourself you are true warriors. You cannot be defeated for you have never known victory. That sounds all out of sorts but honestly I feel bad for you guys. The true definition of profound suffering.

And one catatonic.

Its ok PP...he is one of my least favorite for sure.

damn crybaby....

If I may....what amazes me is we have many people telling us post after post what a pathetic team Cleveland is ( not counting THE CHOSEN ONE...of course) and ,to a lesser degree, Detroit....yet they are 2 of only 4 teams left playing this stupid game.






I think it's them.

I really do.

They are not pathetic. They are playing really bad basketball. Thats what I am seeing. The NBA is certainly not happy. The level of play is not Suns/Spurs.

a very unfair comparison....Bird was 23 in his rookie year. The Celtics finished that 79-80 season 61-21, which was first in the Atlantic Division. The PREVIOUS season before Bird's rookie season....29-53 and 5th in the Atlantic Division.

Don't bring age into this...Bird a much greater impact on his team his rookie year than Lebron did.

That was the 2nd biggest turnaround in NBA basketball.

Pat, I didn't even MENTION the fact they won the NBA championship in Birds 2ND season....


Don't get me wrong...I like Lebron...seems like a great young man. But people just can't compare him and Bird at this stage of their respective careers....it just isn't fair to Lebron.

Bird had already played against the best in college. He was very seasoned. Lebron is but a wee 6' 8" 240 lb. manchild. Making babies a bit early imo.

I agree.

I just find it funny that "hourseofcourse" bragged about Lebron having the Cavs at over .500 after two years with the team. Yet Bird had the Celtics winning the whole damn NBA championship in his 2nd year.


No comparison....

Everyone!




















Go To Bed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

However if you look at the Celts season before you will see that there were several reasons why they improved that had nothing to do with Bird. The 78-79 Celts were coached by Tom Sanders and then Dave Cowens as a player-coach, both poor coaches. The season was upended by 1/2 the roster being traded to Buffalo after 20 games. Tiny Archabald had his worst season as a pro partly because he was coming off missing a year due to a serious foot injury and also because of a fued between him and a fading Jo Jo White. The Celtics hired Bill Fitch for the next season (Birds first), got rid of most of the trouble makers like Marvin Barnes and White, moved Cowens back to the floor, signed Pistol Pete for offense off the bench, inserted Chris Ford in Whites place, utilized the thug ML Carr as a sixth man and added one of the top 5 all time great players. Cornbread was in his prime.

Bird, of course was the biggest reason, but the Celts self imposed chaos of the previous 2 seasons with coaching changes, trades, ownership upheaval made them worse than they really were. Dont forget that there were 4 Hall of Famers on the roster in Birds first year.

The Cavs on the other hand were just plain bad. 17-65 is really bad. That was with Carlos Boozer, Ilguakas, Dejuan Wagner, and Ricky Davis. They added Lebron and Jeff Mcginnis subtracted Davis and improved 18 games with Paul Silas as coach. Adding Jeff McGinnis and improving is a feat in itself.

Kev they got these 2 guys that year.....you may have heard of them.......Robert Parrish and Kevin McHale....they might have had something to do with that Championship too.....

BIRD pts fg% reb asst steals blk to
rookie 21.3 47% 10 4.5 143 53 263
year 2 21.2 47% 10.7 5.5 161 63 289
year 3 22.9 50% 10.9 5.8 143 66 254
year 4 23.6 50% 11 5.8 148 71 240

LeBron
rookie 20.9 41% 5.5 5.9 130 58 273
year 2 27.2 47% 7.4 7.2 177 52 262
year 3 31.4 48% 7.1 6.6 123 66 260
year 4 27.3 48% 7.1 7.0 125 55 250

seems like a pretty close comparison when you consider Bird was 3 years older at every stage...