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Cannon Shell 05-08-2007 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost
Silverbulletday was bred to get a distance though...Silver Deputy out of Rokeby Rose, she the daughter of Tom Rolfe (C,P) and he the son of Ribot (C,P), SBD's DP=6-1-9-0-6, DI=1.10, CD=0.05, that screams distance/stamina!

Silver Deputy is not a 1 1/2 sire
awd of 17 crops 6.82 furlongs

paisjpq 05-08-2007 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Silver Deputy is not a 1 1/2 sire
awd of 17 crops 6.82 furlongs

I was just going to point this out....

Cannon Shell 05-08-2007 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq
I was just going to point this out....

you are slipping....

somerfrost 05-08-2007 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Silver Deputy is not a 1 1/2 sire
awd of 17 crops 6.82 furlongs

I agree with that, but again...I'm one who believes that a horse gets stamina MAINLY through the dam...and that dam side is pretty solid...when was the last time you saw a top horse with six points in Professional catagory?

paisjpq 05-08-2007 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
you are slipping....

piss off... I'm sick

somerfrost 05-08-2007 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Silver Deputy is not a 1 1/2 sire
awd of 17 crops 6.82 furlongs

Roman has Silver Deputy's AWD at 7.85....

paisjpq 05-08-2007 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost
Roman has Silver Deputy's AWD at 7.85....

that's (I believe) the average MAX winning distance...while the number chck gave is his overall ave. winning distance.

witchdoctor 05-08-2007 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Do you think her leg broke because she was racing against a colt?

No.
My point was these horses are not machines and there can be alot to lose.

ateamstupid 05-08-2007 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by witchdoctor
No.
My point was these horses are not machines and there can be alot to lose.

And the risk of her breaking down is greater against boys than against fillies?

GenuineRisk 05-08-2007 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Bababooyee
Genuine Risk is one of my all-time favorite horses (and folks here ;) ), and I would really love to see R2R take on the boys in the Belmont. Maybe I am just a sucker for a good underdog type of story...

I'm with you. As bad as I want to see a Triple Crown winner while my knees are still young enough to take all the jumping up and down I'd be doing, it would be really cool to see a filly take the Belmont.

Scurlogue Champ 05-08-2007 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost
Who are you to call me names? I'm pointing out the facts and I'm every bit as much entitled to state my opinion as you or anyone else...I never called Pletcher "dumb", you don't win as many races as he has and be dumb, I merely stated my damn opinion and asked if maybe he's getting despirate for a classic win. I presented historical facts and even the PF's which indicate why he IS considering the race! Just cause I don't agree with your point of view, you call me a wuss...back at you, wimp!


You aren't really entitled to your opinion here Somer....

Possibly slander here!!!!

somerfrost 05-08-2007 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by moodwalker
You aren't really entitled to your opinion here Somer....

Possibly slander here!!!!


LOL...still smartin' from that beyer thread? Hey, it's not often that someone gives me the opportunity to call them a wimp! How can I pass that up?

AeWingnut 05-08-2007 06:48 PM

I think if a filly can set the pace against the colts she could wire. The boys won't want to pass her.

Scurlogue Champ 05-08-2007 06:49 PM

hahaha, I'm not smarting too bad. just worried about being served a summons.

I think I'll drop it, that last one was in bad taste.

Thoroughbred Fan 05-08-2007 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost
LOL...still smartin' from that beyer thread? Hey, it's not often that someone gives me the opportunity to call them a wimp! How can I pass that up?

I give you kudos for the retort and not crying to mods to have this taken down. The real point was not to demean you in any way personally, but rather to poke a stick at your conservative approach.

The very best stock is unfortunately owned by a small group of people. These people, ass was stated, are the only ones who can afford what she hass already become. They will not let her pass into the others hands and frequently race therir own well-bred stock. The financial up/downside to them is really minimal.

I would applaud them for taking a chance on where they enter. Believe me, if this were a colt they would likely take your conservative approach.

I hope she runs!

Danzig 05-08-2007 08:11 PM

it's a shame that whenever it's mentioned that a filly might face off against colts, ruffian is brought up by someone!

why not mention genuine risk, or ouija board? lady's secret? winning colors?

as tho the fact ruffian was facing a colt somehow increased the odds of a breakdown. how ridiculous--so much for using your head, emotional responses are always so much more interesting.:rolleyes:

somerfrost 05-08-2007 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
it's a shame that whenever it's mentioned that a filly might face off against colts, ruffian is brought up by someone!

why not mention genuine risk, or ouija board? lady's secret? winning colors?

as tho the fact ruffian was facing a colt somehow increased the odds of a breakdown. how ridiculous--so much for using your head, emotional responses are always so much more interesting.:rolleyes:


I agree with that for the most part, when Go For Wand broke down it was a bit ironic (as well as very tragic) because she had been considered for the BCC and the owners opted for what they thought was a "softer" spot...unfortunately, they couldn't forsee what turned out to be a head-to-head duel all around the track with a talented and tough as nails older filly! The concern is always that when champion horses exert to the max they will run through warning pain often with tragic results, 12 furlongs will require max effort for this filly...I'm sorry but I'd wait for another spot!

ateamstupid 05-08-2007 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost
I agree with that for the most part, when Go For Wand broke down it was a bit ironic (as well as very tragic) because she had been considered for the BCC and the owners opted for what they thought was a "softer" spot...unfortunately, they couldn't forsee what turned out to be a head-to-head duel all around the track with a talented and tough as nails older filly! The concern is always that when champion horses exert to the max they will run through warning pain often with tragic results, 12 furlongs will require max effort for this filly...I'm sorry but I'd wait for another spot!

Still waiting for that other spot.

King Glorious 05-08-2007 10:03 PM

The time to do it was in the SA Derby. That was a golden opportunity. The next best time to do it will be after the TC in the Haskell or WV Derby. Something like that after the TC has watered down the ranks. Or in a race like the Ohio Derby. The Kentucky Derby would have been the shot at immortality. Not the Belmont. The Belmont is an irrelevant race nowdays. What would she prove by winning it? That she's the best 12f 3yo in the country? Who cares? I would rather prove that I'm competitive with the best 3yo's at a distance that matters. I would not run in the Belmont.


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