Actually, I thought he'd run better than he did. I thought that Lava Man would do better too. But I certainly thought EC would be in the top half, if not crashing the exotics.

This was one of the days I really liked him.

If I owned him and ran him in a optional claimer, and he lost, he would be going straight to FAIRMOUNT.

Thanks for reminding me of my bitter defeats because I wanted to believe he was a good horse.....

I talked to Gander this morning and told him that Admire Moon scared me a great deal.

For him to back up like he did...kinda makes me think something happened. Trapped...etc..

Bethani was kind enough to let me hear the race call on her computer from over my cell phone. She said he was a bit rank, as he has a tendency to be...and like she said...you can't race like that over there...those horses are too good.

Even if it does come back thay maybe he trapped or something of the sort, I am not foolish enough to think he was good enough for those horses.


Like I said...he lost...so it is what it is...

he is a good horse....ask the owner...I am sure he has no complaints.

I don't think he's the classiest horse in there, but I think he (on paper) should have run better than he did. I don't think he was THAT outclassed to run how he did. I think his class was among the better ones in there honestly. For me, it will be a tossout.

We shall see...hope they point him back for a defense of his Woodford Reserve on Derby Day.

Man we got Pearl Harbored, except it was not a suprise.

The Lava Man haters have got to explain why horses do not come west to take him on. The purses certainly are not too small. So bring some horses in and beat him with the money on the line. It is complete stupidity saying a horse winning 5 million dollars is bad. Its not like they prohibit horses from entering like some of the Hong Kong races.

I just watched the race. Lava Man got a nice start, nice placement, no excuses. He just died. Im glad he basically got pulled up. He was toasted. Sorry about the Channel to Kev. I was rooting for our boys, but butts were kicked.

I don't think there are that many horses in the US that are good enough to justify the risk and expense of shipping out to CA to take on Lava Man. And the ones that are good enough can find races and purses to contend that do not involve shipping so far only to run in a different climate.

I don't understand why people are so afraid to admit that West Coast racing is completely different from racing in the rest of the country. Whether it's the surfaces, the drugs, Trevor Denman's voice, whatever, West Coast success doesn't often translate to East Coast and Midwest success, and vice versa. They're two different beasts. Considering that, and considering that Lava Man is way better in California than he is everywhere else, where's the upside in shipping horses out west?

MONEY. If he really is that weak. This is the point. People have stated he is a just not that good. If he really is easy to beat, come take the purse. Hell you dont need a good animal, Lava Man is bad.

Well in California he is not.

He has run awesome races in California and horses wont ship because they know this. So in a nutshell, he is a money horse in the right spot. That does not make him bad. Read these posts. Its too easy to bust on a horse right after the slaughter. I hate the band wagon effect. So I take the other side.

J...sorry if it came across as bitter towards you. I thought what you said was quite funny and it didn't bother me a lick. I just find it puzzling how well informed people can talk about the horse like he is zippy chippy:eek: :D

Granted EC ran a howler, but im a bit surprised looking back that he was in the 9f race. For the 12f races in Dubai, it pays to have a bit of speed and you dont neccessarily have to stay the trip. Same could be said for Lava Man!!

Kev, who knows why they chose the shorter of the two races?? I wondered that myself.


anyways..this quote on drf.com

"He never gave me any indication he was going to do any running," said jockey John Velazquez. "He got in the gate and fell asleep."

That quote tells me all I need to know. But again, I am not foolish enough, nor blinded by my admiration enough, to think that if EC had run his best race, that he would have gotten to the winner. Those turf horses over there are just on a different level than horses such as EC, Miesques Approval, etc...
Our level of turf racing in America can't hold a candle to the Euros.

It is a different level of turf racing, but I also think it was an off day for EC. On his best I think he has the talent to have made an appearance on the board, like third or fourth. That's was what I was expecting.

Go get em big fella :D

I felt the same way a couple of weeks ago when people were bashing our girl. The resumes speak for themselves. It's so funny when a very very good horse has a bad day and all the people that bet against them in their previous wins come out to say they told you so. They told us 8 or 9 wins and 3 or 4 million dollars ago that whoever the horse in question is at the time is a tomato can. EC just didn't have it yesterday. Nuff said....Hopefully RP won't tie up between now and next Saturday and she will bring it home....

That would be enough to keep me away.

.........yeah, all he has done is bank 4.6 mil so far......

In that race it was the Japanese that busted the world up. Asian racing on the turf is clearly very good.

exactly, Flashy did the best of the Euros in 6th.. and Youmzain was our best in the 12f race in third!! not a great day for the euros!