Hes exactly like Mineshaft down to his dimwitted jockey. They are the same kind of horse, same talent level. Hes not great, hes certainly very, very good. Even being very good hes proven that he cannot win on grass, and he cannot win on synthetic.

A very good question was posed to me...Can not winning on grass, and not winning on synthetic hurt Curlin's stallion value? I think it has to hurt, why would someone breed to a horse who regardless of their outstanding talent couldnt win on either of those surfaces?

I look forward to the next superstar Euro 3yo coming over and beating our best next year in the classic. It will not be until CHD holds the Breeders Cup the Americans win.

Breathtaking

How great is Zarkava, wow.

The only reason Midnight Lute won is because it was synthetic and he is a turf horse. Well at least thats what I am gathering reading all these threads about the non turf races and the winners.

Curlin is a very nice horse for sure but I dont think he was as good as Mineshaft on natural ability, and I definitely think he gets dusted by Ghostzapper. Thats just horses from the past 6 years.

Curlin never whipped a horse like Easy Goer, which Sunday Silence did. Curlin is not in the same class as those two horses.

i don't think his one start on both surfaces will hurt his stud value. also, smart strike is inside the top ten for synthetic sires, so it seems the genes are there.

Baffert said he'll run on anything. He is very big, and bothered by many starting gates(Del Mar etc.)

Hi Silver Charm! :{>:

:D

This is a good point, and this thread probably did not even need to be created. It is probably best to ignore people like Tessitore.
He just said it so many damn times yesterday, that I got pissed and simply couldn't ignore it any longer.

he was absolutely nerve wracking. just think if big brown had been there. good lord. we were spared further nauseating hyperbole for sure. bad enough having just the one..ahem..superhorse in there.
but hey, curlin did beat that monster from the far east!! :D

Thank you Racing Gods ... was sooooooooo satisfying seeing that 'champion' (in-a-bottle-of-Winstrol) get exposed yesterday by a couple good Euros ... and even the mediocre Tiago, to boot. The only disappointing thing about the contest was the fact that Big Brownroid wasn't in there to take his inevitable beating too.

Curlie (and Big Brownroid, for that matter) was clearly nothing special when he wasn't getting his regular 'roid fix. Couldn't care less how much money he made beating the usual mules this season. He shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as a truly brilliant recent champion like Ghostzapper.

He says Silver Charm was the toughest(an overachiever.)

Seamus your gonna be next man, dont break our hearts next year

Heck, you can even take it a step further, imo, KG. If SS and HS were not pharmacologically-enhanced with an anabolic steroid last year, you really can't say with any certainty that Curlie was even the best of his crop.

Curlie literally looked like the incredible hulk on four legs at Monmouth Park last October ... likely the result of a long 'roid regimen.

Were you rooting for the 'champ' yesterday, DaHoss9698? lol



Watching those Euros have their way with the overrrated Curlie ... what a GREAT way to usher out the despicable steroid abuse era of thoroughbred racing in NA.

Or it could be the fact that he's a large horse. I was at GP when he broke his maiden under trainer Helen Pitts ... believe me, he's a big horse.

Ghostzapper should have been renamed Milkshake

No, you weren't the only one. It was making me nuts. I was happy Curlin ran this year; it was a lot of fun watching him win Dubai, and watching him try the turf, etc., but I don't think if there weren't legal issues around that last 20 percent of him that we would have seen this. Did you notice when Jackson started to say something about without the fans there's no sport he stumbled over his words and it ended up garbled? Because I think by that point even he couldn't spout something so blatantly untrue. It's not about us and never is.

That aside, it was still a nice way to spend the evening (I had to work Sat and watched the races on DVR). Yay for everyone coming back safe!

Does anyone know how many European horses ran versus how many American? The math nerd in me is curious how the win percentages Euro vs. American came out.