Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 816839)

I still can't believe Lukas ran him

Originally Posted by Cardus (Post 816893)

Or in the Derby.

Originally Posted by satan's twin (Post 816845)

Somer--First of all, sorry about the witch/warlock mix-up. My bad. Just go ahead and deduct two bolts of fire and three demonic curses from my paycheck this week for that one.

I don't advocate the suspension of due process for anyone. I do think that the application of logic and common sense are enough to listen to evidence and pass judgment in a grand jury. That was done in this case and the results were released to the public. Based on that evidence, it was clear Paterno heard before anyone a despondent graduate assistant give an eye-witness account to him of a rape he witnessed less than a day before in the locker room, of a child, by the assistant head coach of Penn State. And based on what he heard that gutless creep chose not to call the police, as mandated by federal law, Instead, he put "his legacy", his self-interest, ahead of everything. The two sheep who,technically, sat in positions of authority over Paterno, then orchestrated a cover-up of the crime by labeling it "horseplay" and then lied to law enforcement officials about what they heard and what they knew. In fact, Paterno was, perhaps, the most revered person in the state and arguably, one of the most powerful. As we now know, neither of these eunichs had the moral compass to do the right thing. They swept the crime under the rug, kept a monster in place to commit despicable acts for another decade and, thank god, didn't ruffle the feathers of a great man and his legendary program.

Whether McCreary told Paterno a less damning version of events than the one he told the grand jury is irrelevant. Paterno already knew who Sandusky was. There were other reports about his actions before this one. Forget the allegations of rape. Who in their right mind would keep an employee on his staff who was known to take showers with little boys in the locker room? On top of that, this jerk let Sandusky parade a litany of young boys around his locker rooms for years knowing full well each of those boys was probably a victim of unspeakable acts by the twisted f*ck that he allowed to stand next to them.

It's be-witching to me that you would think I am jumping to conclusions in this case. When you're sitting over your cauldron tonight boiling a tasty pot of newts eyes, read the grand jury report for this case. I'll bet you get so damn mad after you finish reading it, you'll put a nasty hex on JoePa.

Originally Posted by somerfrost (Post 816939)

Satan's Twin, there are times that I wish we had supernatural powers like depicted on TV and in the movies, sure would come in handy. Seriously though, I have read the grand jury's report and yes...it made me sick. While it contains plenty of details regarding Sandusky's sick behavior, it really doesn't address what McCreary actually told Paterno and I admit we may never know. But I have a hard time believing a coward like McCreary went into the graphic detail that he expressed to the grand jury when talking to Paterno. Perhaps he did, and perhaps Paterno watered it down from there but if I've learned anything in my life it's that leopards don't change their spots...we know what kind of a man McCreary is from his own admission...he's a coward who ran away from a helpless child being brutalized. Paterno in 60 plus years always conducted himself with integrity and insisted on a clean program...did he do a complete about face in this case? Not saying he didn't but I sure would like to see some indication that he did if so. I agree that given the time span and prior reports that Sandusky was a pervert, it's fair to ask how Paterno didn't know, and it's even more troubling that Sandusky remained on campus right under Paterno's nose after this incident...these are valid questions but I'm not sure we know the answers. In any event, it's all moot now, PSU took the action they did and Paterno is out.....and I'm fresh out of chicken legs and newt eyes so I can't bring a plague down on anyone!

Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 816951)

Originally Posted by clyde (Post 816761)

Oh by the way...do the world a favor and try to put me there:



7027 North Aurora Road,BainbridgeTownship,Ohio.

Let's see if you can back up your words.

I don't think ya got the guts.


















(Believe me, if he comes it will be with the cowards gun or car bomb.)

Originally Posted by clyde (Post 816761)

7027 North Aurora Road,BainbridgeTownship,Ohio.

Originally Posted by Crown@club (Post 816962)

You should send that down the road to the Home Depot Distribution Center in Solon 5 miles away. All the employees there are Steelers fan but 1. :zz:

Originally Posted by DerbyCat (Post 816994)

now I know where to send the Christmas card :D

Originally Posted by horseofcourse (Post 817023)

I apologize to all for my coments earlier in the thread. Not really, but they really upset some people for some reason. I spent more time at that place than anyone who posts here. Perhaps someone else has admitted they are actually an alum of the place, but not sure. I got suckered into the myth like most Penn State people did. I do not like the place being called a cess pool and I did not like the demonization of some perhaps misguided teenagers, that is what I was reacting to at the time. They were wrong to "riot". I'm guessing those actually flipping cars were very small in numbers. In the end the overwhelming number of students there have potential as they did 25 years ago. That is what I was defending. I defended nothing else that occurred with regard to the offenders in this situation. Every single person who posts on here can look in the mirror and the adjective "wrong" applies to every single person who posts on here at some point in your life. I felt the "wrongness" being committed by a small percentage of PSU students Wednesday night paled in comparison to other wrongs going on around the world. The students of PSU are zero percent of this story of criminal corruption at PSU. I mean zero.

for those who despise and hate me because of posts on this board, so be it. I'll go back to Cleveland sports and hibernate!!

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 816948)

I would wait until all the FACTS come out. Just becuase you haven't been caught doesn't mean you are clean.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 816763)

Hey Horseofcourse I bet you hope this isnt true...

http://www.nesn.com/2011/11/jerry-sa...rk-madden.html

Originally Posted by horseofcourse (Post 817050)

Nothing would surprise me at this point. I'm guessing it will come out Paterno is likely a pedophile too and was involved personally. Whatever comes out, I will stand by the zero percent of it has to do with current or past students at Penn State. None of it.

Originally Posted by satan's twin (Post 816786)

It is absolutely incredible to read the stupid sh*t that gets posted here thread after thread, be it from the resident warlock who thinks it's premature to dismiss that criminally aiding and abetting head coach without "due process" or the PSU parent who suggests another poster is making "douchebag comments" for labeling this diaper-clad turd a criminal or others who see the student pep rallies in front of the criminal coach's home in a show of support as nothing other than "silly".

"SILLY"? Are you out of your f*cking mind? Those privileged dolts parading in front of Paterno's home don't have the balls or the brains to confront that reptile the way he should have been confronted. Holding a pep rally for 'Good Old Joe"? How about going there with torches and a noose.

First, the 28 year old twit who sees this monster raping a child in the shower runs away from the locker. What a f*cking hero. He should have bludgeoned the prick in the shower. No, he is so distraught, he calls his dad for advice, who's first concern is to call the head coach ?????????? Of course. It wouldn't dawn on you to call the police either while this was happening or THE NEXT DAY. And what, they don't have a 911 service in Pennsylvania? No problem, though. The coach will know what to do. He will call the police............or maybe not. Let's call our bosses instead. Somehow these PhD's, these administrators of higher learning, these arbiters of justice, interpret rape as "horseplay". They really had no other choice. If they would have done the right thing, they would have jeopardized the cash cow and all of its glorious athletic achievements. This gutless triumverate couldn't possibly make a more dishonorable decision in a hundred years..............unless they bury this incident and look the other way and make the rapist a "professor emeritus" and give him the keys and unfettered access to his house of horrors dungeon for the next ten years.
And one of the "tough" questions at today's news conference for the new zookeeper..........."Will Coach McCreary be on the sidelines or in the pressbox on Saturday?"..........................I've got a suggestion. How about in a jail cell with his pants around his ankles while he's tethered to the bed with a rather excited 350 lb. bull lifer behind him looking like the State of Pennsylvania just delivered his Christmas present a little early.

That piece of sh*t Paterno knew exactly who that monster on his staff was. He made him the assistant head coach. Sandusky was the heir apparent to the program. Paterno ran a program where the ranks were closed. He knew every detail about his program back in his pre-senility days. That freak on his staff didn't start diddling kids in the shower all of a sudden. Sandusky started his pedophile recruitment foundation in 1977. In 1998, the first formal complaint was filed with the police even though rumors about this bastard were raised four years earlier. Suddenly, a year later, Ol Joe had a change of heart and Sandusky was told he wouldn't be the next head coach. Probably because even an arrogant old f*ck like Paterno knows that "Head Coach/ Pedophile" doesn't look all that appealing on a business card, either to the Friends of the Program or to blue-chip recruits. Instead of handing him over on a platter to the authorities, he orchestrated his sideway advancement to professor emeritus with all the privileges and benefits. Unfortunately, this creep thought benefits included all the innocent childred he could possibly devour.

Why didn't JoPa throw this animal under the bus and drive it over him? I'm guessing in time we are going to find out that Ol' Joe was as dirty as every other football coach in America and creepy Uncle Jerry Sandusky knew every ugly detail and where every ugly skeleton was buried. Why else would a human being with a pulse allow a diseased predator to exit in his midst unless the predator could blackmail him for his indiscretions?

And all this for a football program?

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 817051)

Sandusky played for Paterno at Penn State, starting at defensive end from 1963 to 1965

Originally Posted by Cardus (Post 816889)

We are trained to worship elites? Is this taught at Penn State? I wasn't taught this. It sounds like Nazism.

Your post reads like an "relativist" defense, but we are talking about this instance.

Announcing that anyone has a "right" to express dismay is not the point; whether it is a moral defense is the point.

What the protesting students are doing, whether they know it or not -- and shame on them if they do not understand this notion -- is defending a man who protected a pedophile. There is no way around that.

It is unfathomable to me that any human being would put their idolatry before the lives of innocent children. And those who do are wrong.

We are not talking about a coach who violated NCAA rules, or blew a .11, or had a drug problem. I could see a mass protest if that were the case.

Is pedophilia in a "gray area"?

Those who treat it as such -- and I expect 18-21 year-olds to get this -- are immoral.

Originally Posted by horseofcourse (Post 817023)

I apologize to all for my coments earlier in the thread. Not really, but they really upset some people for some reason. I spent more time at that place than anyone who posts here. Perhaps someone else has admitted they are actually an alum of the place, but not sure. I got suckered into the myth like most Penn State people did. I do not like the place being called a cess pool and I did not like the demonization of some perhaps misguided teenagers, that is what I was reacting to at the time. They were wrong to "riot". I'm guessing those actually flipping cars were very small in numbers. In the end the overwhelming number of students there have potential as they did 25 years ago. That is what I was defending. I defended nothing else that occurred with regard to the offenders in this situation. Every single person who posts on here can look in the mirror and the adjective "wrong" applies to every single person who posts on here at some point in your life. I felt the "wrongness" being committed by a small percentage of PSU students Wednesday night paled in comparison to other wrongs going on around the world. The students of PSU are zero percent of this story of criminal corruption at PSU. I mean zero.

for those who despise and hate me because of posts on this board, so be it. I'll go back to Cleveland sports and hibernate!!

Originally Posted by horseofcourse (Post 817023)

I apologize to all for my coments earlier in the thread. Not really, but they really upset some people for some reason. I spent more time at that place than anyone who posts here. Perhaps someone else has admitted they are actually an alum of the place, but not sure. I got suckered into the myth like most Penn State people did. I do not like the place being called a cess pool and I did not like the demonization of some perhaps misguided teenagers, that is what I was reacting to at the time. They were wrong to "riot". I'm guessing those actually flipping cars were very small in numbers. In the end the overwhelming number of students there have potential as they did 25 years ago. That is what I was defending. I defended nothing else that occurred with regard to the offenders in this situation. Every single person who posts on here can look in the mirror and the adjective "wrong" applies to every single person who posts on here at some point in your life. I felt the "wrongness" being committed by a small percentage of PSU students Wednesday night paled in comparison to other wrongs going on around the world. The students of PSU are zero percent of this story of criminal corruption at PSU. I mean zero.

for those who despise and hate me because of posts on this board, so be it. I'll go back to Cleveland sports and hibernate!!

Originally Posted by knickslions2 (Post 817080)

Hey it was a Pittsburgh truck anyway. They tip those over on a normal day. In all seriousness Penn State will move forward but it will take time. It is important for us alumni to help the families best we can and insure this doesn't happen again.

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 817143)

The guy is facing 400+ years and is out on bail. Am I the only one who things 100K bail is light.. And yes I think he is a flight risk considering the rumour that he used his charity to pimp out kids to rich donors...

Originally Posted by hi_im_god (Post 817136)

i doubt penn state is any kind of force in college football again in my lifetime.

i can't imagine recruiting will go too well for the next decade or so and i doubt many top coaches want to deal with the mess that's been left behind.

they should think about dropping football altogther. it's that or face beatdowns at the hands of powerhouse teams like purdue and northwestern into the forseeable future.

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 817338)

i was a penn state fan for as long as i can remember. was.

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 817334)

Originally Posted by somerfrost (Post 817344)

I have always been and will always be, the student athletes at PSU deserve no less!

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 817362)

Story about his recruiting ground.

http://www.statecollege.com/news/loc...-taken-930818/

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 817364)

he probably purchased that home precisely because of that school. sick bastard.

Originally Posted by somerfrost (Post 817344)

I have always been and will always be, the student athletes at PSU deserve no less!

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 817386)

i've thought on this some more.

the kids who were raped and molested by that ****ed up monster will have to deal with that pain for the rest of their lives. this will haunt them forever. they won't constantly dwell on it, but it will always be there. things will conjure it up in their minds-whenever they see on the news that someone has been arrested for similar crimes, when they read about it, when people talk about it. this will have a lasting impact on them. their life, how they live it, the decisions they make, the person they marry, the children they raise. knowing the life expectancy of the average american male, they have upwards of 60 years or so of this crime to deal with.
i think that institution should suffer for just as many years. there is no more disgusting, vile, despicable act than the depravity that man inflicted on innocent children. those who averted their eyes and refused to see, or admit it, or turn him in because it was so hard to deal with-they never once thought of how hard it was for those who had to endure it. they share the blame, they should.