Ok State lost to Iowa State. Bama lost to LSU.
Bama beat Arkansas and outplayed LSU in a loss. Ok State, seriously?

Alabama beat Penn State 27-11, Wisconsin beat Penn State 45-7 when everything was on the line for Penn State. Is WI better than Alabama? Most likely not but we will never know because they won't play each other.

Kind of like Heisman voting. Montee Ball has a 6.5 yrds/carry average, 29 rushing TD's, and 5 Receiving TD's. Richardson has a 6.0 yrds/carry, 20 rushing TD's and 3 receiving Td's. Montee Ball isn't even in the Heisman conversation outside of WI, however Richardson could win it.

Look at the NFL some people would have argued last year that the best team didn't win since the Packers won as a sixth seed barely getting in. The packers roster is only slightly changed from last year and does anyone doubt that they are the best team right now in the NFL? So were they the best team last year as well and just played a few bad games throughout the regular season? Could that change at any time? yes. Will they be the best team by the end of the year is yet to be determined and will be determined in imagine that "the playoffs".

Unless there is only 1 undefeated team at the end of the year the national championship is a joke and will be solely about the $ and not actually determining a true champion

Wisconsin would beat OK ST right now.

The beauty of the NFL is you can get away with a bad game.
LSU has not palyed a bad game, Bama has not played a bad game and those teams play the best teams all year long.
The common opponent argument is often ignored and probably rightly so based on the any given day theory. As long as LSU wins this weekend (likely even if they lose) they should play Bama for the title.

Who did Arkansas beat? they got crushed by bama and lsu. So why are they any better than WI who lost 2 fluke games at the end and crushed all their other opponents? You could say Arkansas best wins were Auburn (there was a reason why russell wilson chose WI over Auburn) and South Carolina(who beat no one really besides GA by 3 at the begininng of the year). Arkansas ranked 8 in BCS and WI is 15th. Makes total sense right?

Wisconsin would also beat Arkansas.

There really needs to be a playoff, I think teams like Wisconsin and Va Tech have the right roster to get hot and beat teams like LSU and Bama.

You cannot afford to lose "fluke games" in the current system. Arkansas plays in the conference that has produced what, 8 of the last 10 Nat'l Champs? The fact that the SEC doesn't win it every year is because they are forced to play each other all year which leads to losses.
I like Wisconsin a lot and wanted them to run the table as I thought they might have a shot vs. LSU or Bama.

No shot.

I agree in the current system you can't afford stupid loses or any losses. The problem is the system doesn't provide a clear cut true Champion. It is flawed terribly. So if you think WI has a shot to beat either LSU or Bama how can you be happy with a system that doesn't allow them to play each other and determine that on the field instead of with a computer or politics. Maybe Obama can hold to a campaign promise and fix this system

I think folks are confusing better "team" with better "season." Okie State has twice as many top 25 BCS wins as does Alabama. Alabama literally beat three teams with winning records all season. I don't get how their body of work is superior to Oklahoma State's, fluky Friday night Iowa State loss or not.

The biggest joke will be if UGa figures out a way to beat LSU this weekend and we end up with a national "championship" game featuring two non-conference winners.

It would be a blowout actually.

I am not defending the system by any means. I think it is a complete disaster.

OK, because the speed and skill in the Big Ten are so superior to the SEC. I think they would be able to run the ball but the defense would not have any shot at stopping the AK offense.

Didn't Ohio St beat Arkansas last year in the Sugar Bowl? I believe that was a matchup of the number 2 Big Ten Team against the number 2 SEC team.

They didn't actually have a single win last year. They were co-champs of the Big 10 with Michigan and Wisconsin I think, prior to turning over all their wins of course. The officiating was suspect in that game as well, :rolleyes: as a gambler I say that to make myself feel better. Ohio State had lost 8 or nine straight to SEC going in so it made sense...

yep, they did. arkansas has a poor post season record; their last bowl win was vs east carolina. don't hear much about that tho.
it was hilarious around here when osu got stripped of their wins. hog fans were saying hey, we won...er, no, you didn't!


was arky really #2 sec last year tho? hard to imagine.

They were, the east beat each other all year and so did the west except Auburn of course. Ark was ahead of LSU (though tied).

LSU vs. BAMA II, January 9, 2012. Like it or not its coming. Les is still sitting on the plays in the back of his playbook.

Those Tigers are something else aren't they? They just find a way to win.

42 unanswered points. unreal. they're like a horse that doesn't leave the gate well-but once they get in stride, you better look out.


mathieu named mvp-figured it was between him and hilliard. this team has some depth. i'm loving it.

It is unreal how they win. Big plays on defense and special teams, impeccable kicking, Jefferson is pretty much a non-factor. They just hang around the first half and when its over, they are up by 30 every time. I feel for Lee, but the fact is they dont really need him in there. Within the last few days, information has come to light about why Lee hasnt hit the field and it make some sense to me. He may not be academically eligible past midterm, thus the full-time switch to Jefferson.

ask msu if the ever want to see Bama again? i think NOT!:rolleyes:

alabama has to be holding it's breath waiting to find out if they get in...or did ok st do enough in their drubbing of oklahoma to leap to #2, and the title game?

Hate to interrupt this little love fest between the two of you ... but I'm not sure I could take another "game of the century."

I'm glad the SEC does so well - and I hope LSU wins the title game. I don't think it should be against Alabama. Bama had their chance to beat this team and didn't. At home, no excuses. They're a one loss team - just like Stanford and Oklahoma State. Didn't even play in the conference championship.

Would much rather see LSU/OSU or LSU/Stanford

If Bama were to win the rematch, then what? Oh, I know - we wouldn't have to be subjected to watching Bama frat boys crying in the stands and being consoled by their girlfriends - that was embarrassing.

Les - I'm not sure what you're thinking - but you're about the only LSU fan that I'm aware of that thinks a rematch is the right thing to do.:confused:

les is probably putting himself in nicks shoes...had we been the loser of that 9-6, we'd want a rematch for sure!

I think Bama is the only team that can beat LSU, and vice versa. It may not be fair for us to have to play them again, but a matchup against Stanford or OSU will end up a double digit victory.

Just like when I started this thread, I like LSU again. Not sure I love them as 3-5 point favorites though.

I'd rather see whatever happens betwixt LSU and Ok State than see another field goal suckfest.

i like to think it wouldn't be...but who knows?

How does a team who failed to qualify for a confrence championship game get to play in the national title game?

I really don't care if they're one of the two best teams... or the best one-loss team.

If you finish 2nd out of 6 in a division of the SEC -- you have no business playing for a national title.

Stupid.

Dont you know the sec is far superior to all other conferences and all other teams. No non sec teams would stay within 14 of lsu or alabama.

Folks, look on the bright side. This ends the SEC's perfect record in the BCS championship game.

the system is supposed to produce the two best teams for the title game. if they're the best two, and it seems you agree that they are, what more is there to say?
should alabama be punished because it's in the same conference and division as lsu? that seems somewhat unfair, doesn't it? it wouldn't be right to exclude a team solely because of where it plays. if it's the 2nd best team, it's the 2nd best team.
lsu is the only no loss team. bama has one, in ot-which gives it a better record than any other team in the top 20 except okla state. however, bama's ot loss was to lsu, whereas ok st lost in ot to iowa state, who has a 6-6 record.

Certainly they appear the two best teams -- but that's the system that the conference championship game should produce.

Why did Georgia need to play LSU last week? Boise State ran circles around them.

The National Title game should be determined by an 8-team tournament where each conference is represented by a single champion.

SEC, ACC, Pac 10, Big 10, Big 12. Big East are the six automatic confrences whose champion always gets represented.

The other two playoff slots go to the two highest ranked Champions among: Conference USA, Mountain West (TCU), WAC (Boise State), MAC (they have a good team once every 5 years) or an Independant such as Notre Dame.

The regular season would be more important -- the confrence championship games would all be more important -- and the playoff would be interesting.

Seed the highest against the lowest. 1 hosts 8. 2 hosts 7. 3 hosts 6. 4 hosts 5. Championship game played at select venue.

Pretty. Fucl<ing. Simple.

you lost me at Notre Dame :D

Without a playoff, a 1 loss SEC team deserves to play for it period over any other 1 loss team. Boise State, Wisconsin and Oklahoma State all had their shots and blew it...end of story. Short field goal miss...again, Hail mary's two straight weeks, Iowa freaking State. The two best teams are playing for the National Championship which is the design of the BCS. It got it right. There needs to be an 8 or 16 team playoff however like all other NCAA divisions.

ga played because they won the sec east. the sec is divided into two divisions, much like other conferences. it doesn't always produce the two best teams in the conference in the championship game, much like other conferences...witness oregon vs ucla the other day for example.
the system you advocate above would preclude alabama from playing. how would that be 'fair'? some conferences produce teams who don't stack up vs other conferences ( southern miss anyone? big east winner?), which would mean some champs who don't belong in the finals would be in automatically while deserving teams ( such as alabama, who wouldn't be in the finals as you suggest them) would be left out.

currently, the system brings in the top teams in the bowls, conference championships notwithstanding.

the current system isn't perfect; but neither is what you just suggested. every game currently does count, which is why okla state is on the outside looking in.

i can see a valid argument for okla st getting in over alabama. but people have gone to the lowest common denominator on the two teams single loss. bama to lsu, os to a 6-6 team. but people need to look at the overall schedule of both teams.
did they still choose correctly? computers had ok st higher based on strength of schedule.

wisc lost twice.
boise st needs a tougher schedule. honestly, i was hoping boise would go perfect and come to la for the title game so lsu could shut that crap up once and for all..

I don't care what the computers say. Alabama's better. I saw Alabama play LSU. The difference in that game was a better field goal kicking unit by LSU which is part of the game without question. That's it. If you told Gundy before the season all you need to do to play for the national championship is beat Iowa State, he'd take it....tell Chris Peterson all he has to do is make a 35 yard field goal against TCU he'd take it. They both failed. the end.