denver's offense scored 10 points in 60 minutes. :$:

I think an arguement could be made it was really only 7. I put the first 3 on Jets punter TJ Conley who gave them unbelieveable field position. They only got 15 yards before they kicked the FG.

Probably not

Come on, the Defense gave up 10 points last night and 3 of them were after the shank, which left the Broncos in FG position. That loss last night is definitely not on the Jets defense (even taking the last 5 minutes into consideration).

Exactly. They went to Tebow because he created interest and he did something differently that no one else does. He is a really good option QB but everyone knows that the option syle wont work in the NFL for very long. As soon a coordinators have a chance to see what they are doing and gameplan a little for it there will be even less success than there currently is.

I think there is a place for Tebow in the NFL in a Brad Smith type role but there is no way Denver can think they can run the option as a long term offensive plan.

As long as the defense continues to keep games close, them and the special teams which are the best in the NFL I think, they can keep winning.

I dont think the option is the plan, I do think they are going to have to do some serious work with him and get him accurate under pressure. He has the arm, just seems scared to throw picks so every pass is wide or under. That has led to a nice TD/INT ratio though for the stats guys.
Gotta figure if he can throw it where the defense cant catch it, maybe he can eventually throw it where his guy can.

Maybe he is right handed?

So as long as the defense gives up less than 14 points a game and scores a TD, in addition to Prater having a 60 yard leg and Colquitt consistantly pinning teams inside the 10 they should be able to keep winning....... :zz:

The problem is that many of the poorly thrown balls last night were when no one was even near him. I do think one of his problems is that he tries to throw the ball too hard, which leads to some wildness. He gunned a few last night (and a few should have been caught), that were just unnecessary.

It is true, I do think it comes back to fear of the pick, better it hit the ground kinda thing in his head. Not making any kind of comparison in any way here but when Farve came into the league he did the same with his arm.

Teams are daring him to pass and yet he still struggles with seemingly simply completions. For whatever reason he seems to be more effective when not in the pocket which will eventually lead to hit taking a lot of big hits. I'm not a hater and he has an unusual skill set which can be utilized in some fashion but he has a longer windup than Hideo Nomo and between that and his accuracy probem it is hard to believe that the league wont be able to contain him pretty easily.

I think long term Tebow will be a solid NFL QB. He might not ever make a pro bowl, but he finds ways to win games. He is better then at least 1/3 of the starters now, including the guy he beat last nighy. The guy seems dedicated enough, there is no reasson at all he cant work on his throwing and other aspects of his game that need to be improved. Denver needs a lot of things... They need a WR they need a RB, those are just the skill things that they need. They should not be looking at getting another QB, they should try to improve the team around Tebow.

can we please just drop the completely false argument that team wins trump individual skills in this discussion?

if all that matters is wins then tebow at 4-1 is the favorite for rookie of the year over a 2-7 fraud like cam newton.

and they both trail randall cobb who is apparently leading green bay to a so far undefeated season.

you can argue that his skill set is different from that of the typical nfl quarterback. you can argue that he brings intangible assets like leadership or a "will to win".

but gloating over a win where your offense scored 10 points the entire game (with 3 of those coming on a 15 yard drive) is drooling on the floor idiotic when the discussion is qb skills.

I'm sorry I disagree with that. I can't see how a guy who can't throw the ball be beter than 10 other NFL QB's.

No it's not. It shows that he doesn't get frustrated easily. Tard-o for the Chargers would've checked out at halftime with a performance similar to last night.

He's got intangibles. Plus he's an unbearable personality. Awful combo.

Whats unbearable about him?

The disingenuous praying after every big play. A true Christian doesn't gloat their faith in competition...unless they're playing against Satan.

He needs to tone that s.hit down. I'd have a bromance with him if he was agnostic.

You don't think he has been working on improving his throwing motion since way before the draft (2 yrs+)? It's not working.

I am not a hater, I'm actually a Gator, but I know what I see and I do not see a "solid NFL QB".

He's a solid NFL player. Big deal if he moves to tight end or fullback...actually with a decent quarterback that would be borderline unfair.

I agree.

i'd love to be in on the discussions the coaching staff has with the receivers in denver. "tim tebow is the new qb. you guy's aren't really needed anymore."

norv turner is finally rubbing off on phillip rivers. san diego fan thought firing schottenheimer for not winning playoff games after 14-2 seasons was a great idea. dreams of super bowl titles danced in their heads.

good call.

i was blown away by the firing of marty-you fire your coach because you think you can do better. norv is better?! i've enjoyed watching the steady decline. the gm is a moron. he 'won' the battle vs marty, but he's certainly losing the war.

I am in the minority I know but I do not think Tebow is the best QB in Denver.

I don't either.

He is better then Mark Sanchez. Are we saying Orton is 2?

I think that's all anyone is saying. He's a good player. He's just not a good NFL QB. He doesn't have the passing ability of an NFL QB. But he can contribute a lot of running to a team. Being a fullback or tight end is a great fit. It wouldn't be a big deal if he moved to another position. It'd be smart.

The thought he's better than 10 or so NFL QB's right now is silly though. He's clearly not.

Clearly Elway is the best QB in Denver

I'm with you. And he's still going to be a leader either way.

Tebow's got a big heart, I'll give him that. If you really need a miracle though, how 'bout Cutler and da Bears? Jesus Christ, talk about rising from the dead.

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I disagreed with the opinion about the safeties. I couldn't care less about the punter. Like I said, regardless of those 2 plays not made by either safety, this loss was on the offense. If you give up only 10 points a game in this league you should win, period.

Ok, I'll play the what if game.
What if Sanchez doesn't throw a pick 6?
What if Sanchez doesn't over throw a wide open Keller in the endzone?
What if Nick Folk doesn't miss 2 FG's (I know that they weren't chip shots).

Granted they couldn't make a big play down the stretch, but they certainly did enough to win that game. Denver had field position on them all night (except for the final drive) and only scored a FG up until the final drive.

I'll admit that I don't think Eric Smith is great, but I think you picking on them in this case is unfair.

Although thankfully I didn't watch Thursday's game, I have seen enough of Eric Smith and Jim Leonhard to know that neither is athletic enough to thrive in the Jets' defensive system. Leonhard, coming off last year's broken leg, may have lost a step he couldn't afford to lose, and Smith, while probably an over-achiever, simply hasn't been getting the job done is pass coverage.

Bottom line, an above average defense, no matter how well they may have played the first 55 minutes of the game, DOES NOT let Tim Tebow march 95 yards down the field for the game winning TD. Simple as that, IMO.

The offense is quite another matter.

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i think the Jets were still dizzy from the beating the Pats laid on them. Tebow is like Zenyatta, a winner. Winners win, Ive seen Tebow make plenty of big throws. His will to win is incredible. That oklahoma team was WAY better than Florida and Tim Tebow still found a way to beat them. He'll be president some day, or at least vice president when Tom Brady takes over the country. Dont forget....he's basically a rookie with single digit starts, and is winning already. for those interested in making a couple of bucks on Sunday. If Vince Young starts for Philly, they will whip the Jintz.

I don't think Tebow would make a good running back. Part of what makes him effective as a runner is the defense not being able to totally key in on him running. As bad a passer as he is, they still have to give some respect to it. Look at last weekend when he won the game with the long touchdown pass, his second completion of the game. I think that taking that dimension away would really hurt his effectiveness as a runner and his lack of skills in that area would be exposed much more than they are now.

Tebow is like Zenyatta. I love it.

I wonder what's going to happen if they ever have to play east of the Mississippi..............

In the last game out of the box, the kid's first pass is a midrange completion for 28 yards. After that they run for a first down behind McGhee and Tebow hits a couple of short ones for 15 yards......so now the kid is 3 for 3 has hit one big pass when asked to and they have a fourth and one after gaining 60 yards and what do they do with,one of, if not the best running quarterback this year in the NFL.
Instead of showing confidence in him and letting the kid get them a yard when he averages just shy of 5 a carry they take all of the momentum away from him run a dive after a time out which the Jets stuff and the go vanilla the rest of the night........until!!

5 minutes left and they now call his number every play, 55 rushing 50 passing and all you hear is the kid is dog meat for the first 55 minutes. Nonsense!!.......

The Denver coaching staff undermines the kid's confidence until they let the kid do his thing at the end of the game with the exception of the game he made a handful of down field throws and didn't need to ask for a miracle ending.

If they would call plays to his strengths in the early quarters, roll out throws, running plays he will get better and better. If he can hit some of the down field throws previously he can hit more.

He doesn't turn it over but is so damn scared to do so he throws conservatively where only his guy has a chance every single throw thus his completion percentage is horrible. Yes his mechanics were horrible but he deserves more from his coaching staff because he saving their jobs.